Jinksy Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I have no questions or commentary, other than that I found this hand breathtaking - I don't even disagree with any of the bidding, but this was the sort of hand that your strong-2-playing, 13-point-minimum-opening grandma warns you about: [hv=pc=n&s=sq754h543daq3caq4&w=sakjt86h92dt96ckj&n=s932ht87d7542c853&e=shakqj6dkj8ct9762&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1hd(you'd%20have%20done%20it%20too%2C%20admit%20it...)rpp1sd(Time%20to%20buy%20that%20lottery%20ticket!)ppp]399|300[/hv] Poor N/S... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 The amazing thing to me about this hand is that declarer can actually get a 4th trick, and it is probably correct to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Meh, only 800 (playing double dummy). edit: Well, since Justin ninja'd me, I think you should manage 4 tricks. Once you find out about the really horrible spade break, playing hearts planning on cutting their communications looks normal enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Who stole North's bidding box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Meh, only 800 (playing double dummy). edit: Well, since Justin ninja'd me, I think you should manage 4 tricks. Once you find out about the really horrible spade break, playing hearts planning on cutting their communications looks normal enough. It's hardly normal, you will only get 2 tricks if LHO has Hx of hearts and a king. On top of that even if you do sever the hearts, if RHO plays back a diamond you have to guess to hook whereas if they play back a club you have to guess to rise. And even if you will guess everything you need LHO to have a doubleton king. Against that, probably RHO will throw 3 clubs discouraging pretty painlessly, and LHO will play back the spade ten suit pref for clubs so RHO will play a club (note: the spade ten is NOT AKT876 and suit pref for diamonds, the ten promises the jack and is suit pref for clubs, if you want a diamond with AKT876 you play the 8 back, but of course some people don't know this so it can get convoluted). It's def a pretty big play since it rarely works to play a heart, on the other hand 800 instead of 1100 is a bigger difference than 1100 instead of 1400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I just looked up the imp scale and assuming our teammates make a game I think 1100 to 1400 is 2 imps difference and 800 to 1100 is 3 imps different (correct me if I'm wrong), so at only 3:2 its probably right to cash out unless you feel you get a good read on the hand after 3 tricks that LHO has Kx of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 " I don't even disagree with any of the bidding," Really? I strongly disagree with the first x and disagree with the xx.The first x on a 4333 is appalling in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Sry to spam thread lol but hearts might also be 6-1 I guess, in which case playing a heart at trick 2 is def right. So maybe playing a heart at trick 2 is normal. Still if hearts are 5-2 I think playing a heart at trick 2 is really anti percentage and you should just take your medicine and cash those aces rather than play for this miracle layout, even knowing LHO has a Kx suit they still must rate to have a heart honor (assuming RHO will open all 11 counts with a spade void and 5 good hearts which might be wrong given OP lol). I don't really know how to evaluate the chances of 6-1 hearts, on one hand I would say RHO will never sit for a double with 6 hearts and a spade void, on the other hand I would not think they would sit for a double with 0544 since I would never expect my partner to XX 1H with 6 good spades so I don't know if I should be taking any inferences from the bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 " I don't even disagree with any of the bidding," Really? I strongly disagree with the first x and disagree with the xx.The first x on a 4333 is appalling in my view. The norwegians would do it 11 times out of 10. Not saying I agree 100% though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Who stole North's bidding box? You think he should have bid ♦s at some stage? It seems hard to justify pushing yourself up a level just to get what might be an extra trump card. If he was 3334 it's make more sense to me, though I think I'd still have passed throughout tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 You think he should have bid ♦s at some stage? It seems hard to justify pushing yourself up a level just to get what might be an extra trump card. If he was 3334 it's make more sense to me, though I think I'd still have passed throughout tbh. Partner asked him to bid his best suit, he has a 4-card suit. It is normal to bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Partner showed a hand with 4♠s and something resembling tolerance for each minor. Looking at just the N/S cards, do you really think 2♦x is significantly better than 1♠x? On a really bad day, P might only have 2♦s. Even on the actual cards, I'm not sure N/S make any more tricks in ♦s than in ♠s. 2♦ looks like 4 down DD as well as I can read it, and maybe 5 down at the table. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 " I don't even disagree with any of the bidding," Really? I strongly disagree with the first x and disagree with the xx.The first x on a 4333 is appalling in my view. I agree. In light of the distribution, I think a pass is the wiser call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrande Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 " I don't even disagree with any of the bidding," Really? I strongly disagree with the first x and disagree with the xx.The first x on a 4333 is appalling in my view. I agree, the only reason to double with a 4-3-3-3 is that you are so strong that you can't stand not taking some action, which is certainly not the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Double is a wtp for me. Decent (admittedly balanced) 14 count with 3+ card support for all of the suits.Pass of the XX is ok because your diamonds are headed by the 71♠ is wtp unless you think you're going down 6 doubled and/or your partner has 2-5-3-3 The only call I disagree with is XX :o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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