mike777 Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 NV vs. VULIMPS QJT,Q6,J743,8764 P=P=1NT=X(GOOD HAND)2D=P=3H=3SP=? My choices seem to be:1) Bid game and hope blindly2) Use my experience level which results in pass Appreciate your thought process on this one and your bid choice. I choose 4s but that was only based on the "Just bid the D..N game" then solid bridge logic which resulted in a typical contract that one may assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 4S. If pard is bidding like this surely i owe him a raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 I pass. If the spade queen is all pard needs, then he misbid - should have bid 4S instead of 3. I would bid 4S only if very desperate, and gambling pard has the heart Kx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Gao Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 4♠!Your pard needs little help for a game, and you have what he needs - strong ♠ support and a possible ♥ finesse. He seems to hold 8.5 to 9.5 winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Although my shape is poor 4♠ seems clear cut to me. I have three more spades than I might have, and perhaps more importantly, two more entries that I could have. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 ♠QJx secures a trick your partner expected to give away.♥Q2 should at least cover the 3rd round of ♥.Seems that opps don't have a 9 card fit there, so you bring a 2nd trick.If partner has a side lengths 4+ cards in a minor, just haveing 4 cards will help him. I expect him to have some sort of 5- looser hand.After your bidding, you have more than he can expect.So i would bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 was the 1nt 15-17? my ♥Q is worthless.. i can visualize the opps taking a trick in all suits, and maybe even 2 in clubs or diamonds... i guess i'll pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 I think 4S is clear. Partner bid all the way to the 3-level himself in a dangerous auction (dangerous because you could have absolutely nothing). Furthermore, because you are looking at the QJ10 of spades, you know that partner's hand is "dangerous" as well (dangerous because it was possible from his point of the view that one of the opponents was dealt the QJ10x of spades). No I don't think that partner's 3S says "I can make 3S opposite void xxxx xxxx xxxxx"". He is allowed to play you for a little something, but in the context of this auction you have a lot more than a little something. Remember that you passed over 2D when presumably you could have doubled to show some values. I actually think that you probably should have doubled 2D - at that point of the auction you didn't know your Queen of Hearts rated to be worthless. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Interesting. This would be an easier problem over a weak NT, since this auction should be contrasted with a direct 3♠ over 1N. Positives The fact that the opponents aren't trying to play 1N xx'd tells me that my RHO doesn't have a lot. All finesses are likely working and I have 2 likely entries for pard to take them. CHO is playing the hand and he plays them darn well. Pard isn't apt to push them into a vul game unless he has some hope of beating it in his own hand. Negatives: The doubleton heart is a red flag as pard likely has one himself. Sounds like exactly 18 TT, plus a possible negative adjustment, due to my horrible ODR, and it leads to a negative adjustment in ODR. Opposite pard's long spades, all my QJT provides is one cover card. Honestly, I would hope I'd have the guts to pass. Hard to see whats going to happen at the other table. If I needed a swing in the slightest, I'd try 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Fred, don't you think pard's 3S bid is safe? There is a very good chance opps have a 9-card fit on this auction, so I wouldn't be surprised to see pard making a frisky bid with something like AKxxxxxAxAKxx Wouldn't you bid 3S on this auction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Fred, don't you think pard's 3S bid is safe? There is a very good chance opps have a 9-card fit on this auction, so I wouldn't be surprised to see pard making a frisky bid with something like AKxxxxxAxAKxx Wouldn't you bid 3S on this auction? I might well bid 3S on that hand, but I sure wouldn't like it very much and I don't think that the alternatives of DBL and Pass are completely outrageous. Just because 4S will go down opposite plenty of reasonable example hands for partner, that doesn't mean it's the wrong bid. If you think 4S will make more often than not then you should bid it (assuming you don't think you will get doubled and/or go down a lot which seem like pretty safe assumptions to me). With this particular problem I would not spend a lot of time trying to construct hands for partner or worrying that 4S might go down (because I think the argument that "partner bid all the way to 3S by himself when I could have no values and no spade fit" to be very strong). Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Fred, don't you think pard's 3S bid is safe? There is a very good chance opps have a 9-card fit on this auction, so I wouldn't be surprised to see pard making a frisky bid with something like AKxxxxxAxAKxx Wouldn't you bid 3S on this auction? No. This is far to dangerous a bid! Could go for -500 against nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 NV vs. VULIMPS QJT,Q6,J743,8764 P=P=1NT=X(GOOD HAND)2D=P=3H=3SP=? My choices seem to be:1) Bid game and hope blindly2) Use my experience level which results in pass Appreciate your thought process on this one and your bid choice. I choose 4s but that was only based on the "Just bid the D..N game" then solid bridge logic which resulted in a typical contract that one may assume. 4Sp may make but I'd never bid them with that hand and I'm ready to apologize to my partner afterwards. My points outside the trump suit are worthless - I have no Ace, no King, no singleton or void. And I only have 3 trumps. A spade fit is visible but it's very hard for me to construct my partner's hand that would make 4Sp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 AKxxxxxxAKxxA is also consistent with this auction AKxxxxxxAQTAx also... i dont think its hard to construct hands where 4S makes, and its not hard to construct hands where it goes down. I agree with Fred here 100 %, I could have nothing and partner has stuck his neck out on the block, I just couldnt imagine putting down QJT of spades in dummy and passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Tell me why would my partner bid ♠ over 3♥ with 5+ defence tricks? AKxxxxxxAKxxA 5 quick top tricks AKxxxxxAxAKxx another 5 quick top tricks AKxxxxxxAQTAx 4 quick top tricks, and ♦QT well placed for at least one trick With each of these he would double, and not bid 3♠, at least he should. Something like AKxxxx, xx, x, AQJT is more likely. THis is just 3 top tricks, sure hope for more, but you will not loose 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 huh? he would X? wow ok thats one way to lose a double game swing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Your Partner's hand was:AKXXXX=X=AXX=AJ9 RHO LEADS TEN OF CLUBS LHO HAND IS:XX=AKJX=KX=KQXXX Early in 120 board match, final of 2003 team trials. Welland team passed 3sBobby Wolff on different auction bid and made 4s. Note 8 of clubs in dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I was gonna pass cos I could offer half a trick at most, sadly I didn't count on ♣8 *sigh* B) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 At this vulnerability and at imps my partner is begging me to bid game with any kind of reason - I will not disappoint him with this hand. 4S WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 oh well... those who bid 4♠ are in good company... of course, those of us who passed 3♠ are also in good company hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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