Do you have any chance?

[whereagles]

Actually, I'm not sure Fantunes 2M openings are theoretically sound. Not on worthless 10-13 counts at least :)

[Cyberyeti]

Is English your third language perchance? I find it amusing that ordinary players, insert "non expert" if it makes you feel better, use methods which require a high degree of judgement and expert card play and defence.

It is particularly amusing when these methods are played by one world class pair only and a small handful of experts. Adopting such a high risk system will not make you a better player or improve your results. The posted hand is a case in point.

 

Expert declarer play doesn't help if the only difference it makes is whether you go 4 off or 3 off. They will also get better defence.

 

Where is this "high degree of judgment" ? The OP demonstrated the pair themselves would have opened this hand 2♠, the only thing missing in his post was the vulnerabilities they opened those hands on. IIRC (I've read the Jacobs book but never played the system) the only alternatives are to open 1♠ showing 14+ with this shape (you only open 1♠ with less with both majors) or pass which can lead to equally silly results.

 

We have a non expert pair in our area playing it, and their results have been OK without many stupidities.

[mgoetze]

I would surely open the North hand 1♠, and then my partner, playing 2/1 GF with invitational jump shifts, would be faced with an interesting decision. I've thought about it some and have concluded that it would be reasonable for South to bid 3♣, planning to convert 3NT to 4♥, but then again I am not a great judge of what is reasonable, so I would love to hear comments from others as to how to bid this hand with my methods.

[rmnka447]

The North hand would probably be opened 1 ♠, so we'd be playing 3 ♣.

 

1 ♠ - 1 NT (forcing)

2 ♦ - 3 ♣

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[Jinksy]

Is English your third language perchance? I find it amusing that ordinary players, insert "non expert" if it makes you feel better, use methods which require a high degree of judgement and expert card play and defence.

It is particularly amusing when these methods are played by one world class pair only and a small handful of experts. Adopting such a high risk system will not make you a better player or improve your results. The posted hand is a case in point.

 

I do appreciate your concern for my bridge prowess, especially given your wealth of knowledge on the system you're criticising.

[the hog]

I do appreciate your concern for my bridge prowess, especially given your wealth of knowledge on the system you're criticising.

 

NP at all. Anytime.

[Cthulhu D]

I would surely open the North hand 1♠, and then my partner, playing 2/1 GF with invitational jump shifts, would be faced with an interesting decision. I've thought about it some and have concluded that it would be reasonable for South to bid 3♣, planning to convert 3NT to 4♥, but then again I am not a great judge of what is reasonable, so I would love to hear comments from others as to how to bid this hand with my methods.

 

Having the same problem, while 3C had occured to me I thought it was pretty mis-representative. I'm not sure though? Tough hand for the methods. If you start with a semi forcing 1NT, 1NT rates to be ridiculous, and I'm not sure anything more sensible happens after 1S-1NT-2D-2H?3C?

 

Edit: I have three regular partnerships playing similar methods, the first one bid 1S-1NT-2D-2H (surprisingly he had no doubt about this bid) - All pass. 2nd one thought for a lot longer as he hates it when I distort 6m5M hands eventually made the same response bidding 2H over 2D.

 

Part of the reason I don't like it I guess is that we play a 14-16 NT, so a bunch of the balanced hands, so partner is going to be bidding 3NT with a lot of 12 and 13 counts, and I'm not sure the 21HCP game is there. Compiling dealer to test.

 

Edit: So, as seen by the general discussion forum it's not that easy to do stats analysis in Deal 3.19 (or atleast, I am bad. Your pick).

 

But over a sample of 50 deals, where south has the hand presented and north has a 12-16 HCP hand with 5+ spades, you make game in hearts or clubs 28 times of 50 (1 more if you could somehow get north to declare).

 

My analysis isn't very sophisticated, I need to remove 11-12 HCP hands with 2 clubs, which I think are just going to sit 3C even though some will make 4H because they don't know about the heart situation.

 

Edit 2:

 

Sample of 200 deals, game makes 101 times out of 200, rising to 115 times if you assume east doesn't have a 6 bagger for his pass. Not sure if you're going to bid them all though, if partner bids 3C, does this scream J9873.Q87.AJ.A97 club slam to you? Maybe you'll bid 5. If partner can know to pass stuff like this AKT964.K6.Q3.976 you're looking good though.

[Cthulhu D]

Edit: Fixing this post, I forgot to take the 14-16 NTs out of north openers.

 

OK take two. Removing obvious overcalls from east's hand, and 14-16 NTs from norths hand (5332 exactly), and 11-12 HCP hands with 2 clubs (I suspect a huge % of these will be and should be passed), Game makes 208 times out of 400, where 8 of those being 4S making when hearts and diamonds go down.

 

It's gotta be worth a shot on those odds.