aguahombre Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think 4♠ is wrong. It forces them to guess now but me to guess again on the subsequent round(s).Yes, and so does 4C, IMO. I really don't like splintering and then not being satisfied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Yes, and so does 4C, IMO. I really don't like splintering and then not being satisfied. Agree. I would be happier with a 3♣ splinter if available. Sort of half way bid that gives some information and gives some room for the opponents (and partner) to provide you with more information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Yes, and so does 4C, IMO. I really don't like splintering and then not being satisfied.I do not understand all this whining about the splinter. You have to find a bid. Nobody said the splinter is perfect, but it does tell something about your hand and allows partner to value his hand. If 4♣ is an overbid, 4♠ is at least as much of an underbid. I would say more. As to the other suggestions like 2♣ followed by 4♠, they misdescribe and show HCP strength you really do not have. Rainer Herrmann 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I do not understand all this whining about the splinter. You have to find a bid. Nobody said the splinter is perfect, but it does tell something about your hand and allows partner to value his hand. If 4♣ is an overbid, 4♠ is at least as much of an underbid. I would say more. As to the other suggestions like 2♣ followed by 4♠, they misdescribe and show HCP strength you really do not have. Rainer HerrmannIf you mean objection to the splinter=whining, o.k. 4C is not an overbid ---it is an underbid, IMO, and it is not useful in describing the slam potential. I don't know whether we can find slam opposite AJXXX XXXX X AKX or not with the path I pick as responder; but I know we won't sniff it with a splinter. If you want real whining: I bemoan that plain old J2N with suck shortness continuations would work opposite the above magic opener, and we don't have that ---and/or probably wouldn't have perpetrated J2N if we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 If we are going to psyche anyway, what about redouble? LHO may be too strong to do anything but a forcing pass. 2♣ is cute but opps may belong in 5♥ or 6♥. But I think I just bid 4♠. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Bergen raises are pretty common. If we play them Over a double? Does anyone do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'd be rather surprised if the opps can make 6H with partner having an opening bid and us having the ace of trumps. 5H, maybe, but I didn't plan to sell out to that... ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I misread this one partly due to the formatting of the auciton (I did not see the double). My preferred curve ball is 3♣ (fit jump), which will make any further bids from me appear plausible. Let them unravel that one. Footnote - I would not do this against recreational players on a club night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Over a double? Does anyone do this?Yeh, some do. A lot use fit jumps over the double. We have the 3C mini-splinter, but that seems less helpful than a full splinter here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 If we are going to psyche anyway, what about redouble?good catch. i had forgotten that one. however, it's not REALLY a psyche... I can hardly fathom going down in 1♠XX http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 If we are going to psyche anyway, what about redouble? This is really intriguing, within our xfer structure over 1MX. Redouble of 1♠X=any semi-notrumpish 6+ OR a G.F. with a long suit --presumably other than Spades. So, redouble would be a psych of sorts, but our suit-bid continuations would at least be game forcing.I like it. If it goes 4H P P back to me, partner might even pick up on the joke when I now bid 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 We're all assuming that p has no history of psyching?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 We're all assuming that p has no history of psyching?!?Well, I would assume at Red in first seat partner's 1S opening was not a psych even if the clown does have a history of psyching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Well, I would assume at Red in first seat partner's 1S opening was not a psych even if the clown does have a history of psyching. Well, quite. However, some of the more odd ball recommendations in this thread (that I admit have a lot of attraction) possibly won't go down well with the director if p has been the "clown" type, as we're going to look like we've fielded it. Anyway I'm a simple soul, so put me down some large number of spades, like 5 maybe unless I'm having a chicken day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Agree ♣ splinter inadequate (want 3 control cards - have only two). Might be quite interesting to try 2N Jordan here. We are going to 4♠, but the side Ace makes a direct jump to 4♠ seem wrong. Partner might just have enough to set them or make slam. Can we find out? Why not ask partner for shortness instead? (I play Jacoby style responses to Jordan). If partner happens to bid 3♦, well then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Why not ask partner for shortness instead? (I play Jacoby style responses to Jordan). If partner happens to bid 3♦, well then... Ya I'm sure the opps will just pass throughout if you start with 2N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 So Justin what would you bid?No psyches on this hand. Don't know the exact hand though I do know the results. You make 5S and the opps make 5H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well you told me the results but... I would bid 4S. My objective on the hand is to buy the hand. If 4S does not buy it and partner does not double I would bid 5S. I agree in general that we don't wanna make the last guess but I don't really view bidding 4S and then 5S as a guess with this hand, I am comfortable bidding to the 5 level with 7 spades and a pretty reasonable hand. I feel like if I make any non 4S bid LHO will bid something and we will have to bid 5S anyways, so I would like to apply the max pressure on LHO before having to bid 5S. If I bid, for example 2N, LHO will get to bid, RHO will probably bid 5 and I will have to bid 5S anyways. If I bid 4S it might go all pass, if not I will not be worse off bidding 5 anywyas. If I splinter LHO might double or if they bid 5x partner might X since we are in a force which I will respect but I'd be happier bidding 4S first and seeing if he doubled. It is not foolproof to bid 5 over 5 on this hand but I do have 7 trumps and a stiff and an ace, whatever, how bad can it be? Missing a slam is possible with 4S but I feel like buying it as cheaply as possible is the most important thing with a hand like this. Psyching seems pretty silly, I want to rob them of bidding room rather than give it to them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Nicely put, Justin. Don't complicate what is simple. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I agree. I would have bid 4S as well. I can't understand the splinter bidders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Agree ♣ splinter inadequate (want 3 control cards - have only two). Very common to treat the ace as two controls. But anyway you seem to be saying in the same sentence that the hand is both too strong and too weak for a splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Very common to treat the ace as two controls. But anyway you seem to be saying in the same sentence that the hand is both too strong and too weak for a splinter. It's your native language but I don't think "3 controls" and "3 control cards" have same meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's your native language but I don't think "3 controls" and "3 control cards" have same meaning.No, it isn't. She is an American; merely living over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's your native language but I don't think "3 controls" and "3 control cards" have same meaning. I thought that my posts were predictable. Why are you reading them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I thought that my posts were predictable. Why are you reading them? Oh, just because I said you are predictable does not mean you had a free pass from being criticised. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif I know you requested the mods to force me not to reply to you, however if you write in these forums you will receive comments. And it is not a personal fight or something, I upvoted you twice when I thought you said something valuable. But obviously you are stuck in the past, or this is what you like. Regardless of what it is, get over it. Just don't expect to be not replied, it ain't gonna happen. Ignore button is everyone's *****, use it if needed and whenever you please.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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