mgoetze Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 [hv=d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p1cp2cp3cp3sp4cp]133|100[/hv] 1♣ is 12-14/17-19 balanced or 12-21 natural.2♣ shows diamonds, weak or GF.3♣ shows a hand afraid of missing game opposite the weak (5-9) diamond hand, should probably deny a 4-card major.3♠ shows GF with 5+ diamonds, 4+ spades.4♣ is natural. What should South's bids mean now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 no hand !? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 no hand !?You're in the wrong forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 A complete guess but:4♦ - agreeing diamonds4♥ - agreeing clubs4♠ - 5/64NT - nat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 4♦ = nat4♥ = "I dunno what to do"4♠ = 5 spades, I suppose.. on grounds that undiscussed bids are natural.4NT = nat5♣ = nat, ofc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 A complete guess but:4♦ - agreeing diamonds4♥ - agreeing clubs4♠ - 5/64NT - natI agree with this. Partner is showing a great hand, minimum of 9 cards in the minors (probably 6-3 since no 4♦ bid), has no ♥ stop, and probably not 3 spades. Personally, I would also want to make 4♦ Ace-asking for ♦ and 4♥ Ace-asking for ♣, since I think partner's hand is well defined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 4♦ = ace ask in clubs with singleton heart4♥ = ace ask in self-agreed diamonds4♠ = 5 card NF but obviously highly suggestive4NT = ace ask in clubs with void heart5♣/♦ to play, minimum, not overloaded in AKs5♥ = slam forcing asking for stop for NT5♠ = pick a slam in ♦ or ♠ (shows 5 if 3♣ is expected to deny 4 spades)5NT = heart stop, ace asking for NT. I am assuming 3♠ showed the original GF and 3♦ woould be the original weak diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 IMO 3C show a hand that is willing to play 3C vs a D preempt. With a hand with a game interest I would bid 2M not 3C. Its like 1C-2D where 2D is wjs 3C is surely not a forward going move in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 IMO 3C show a hand that is willing to play 3C vs a D preempt. With a hand with a game interest ...While you are fully entitled to bid as you wish, the precept here is to take the OP as stated, and if you had adopted the OP style so far where the bids mean as clearly given, what would you do from here on? Personally, I prefer a 2♣ bid to be game invitational or better with both 4 card majors, but that is not particularly helpful to or germane to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I'm happy for the suggestion all the same. I doubt I will change the system because it just seems unlikely to me that the opps have the majority of the points, the majors and no bid, but it is a thing worth thinking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 It's not clear from the OP, but I assume 3♣ denied primary diamond support and showed clubs, so 4♣ is showing even more clubs?Responder's bids now without discussion would be4♦ natural, more diamonds4♥ agrees clubs4♠ 5-64NT natural5♣ weak raise in clubs5♦ to play5♥ heart void, agreeing clubs5♠ GSF for clubs5NT choice of minor suit slam6m to play6M can't think of a sensible meaning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Would 1♣2♣;3[dl]-3♦ have shown the strong hand? I think it would, by analogy with the standard sequence 1♣-1♦;3♣-3♦. That means that we don't need a natural 4♦ now, so 4♦ agrees clubs. Presumably 4♠ is non-forcing, so 5♠ is a slam-forcing 5-6. Otherwise I agree with Frances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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