PhilKing Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 FWIW I would go with Meckwell lite - not that I think the full version is misguided ... Regarding putting the balanced 18-20 through 1♦, I think it is a plus in itself, but that is an argument for another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I don't know Phil at all. Mike, I am really glad we stopped picking on each other, as I think we used to do a while ago. However, what you write here is precisely one thing that used to irk me all the time. PK is undoubtedly one of the best posters on BBF right now. well, I'd argue the best actually. Whether you agree with me on that or not, it is obvious that there is a lot of thought and/or looking at a lot of hands in top-level competition behind almost all of his posts, even if it's just posted as an off-hand remark. I just don't understand how a strong player can read BBF now and then over the last 1-2 years and not have noticed this. I can only imagine it must come from reading BBF with a predisposed bias of "X, Y and Z are the good players in this forum, and I ignore everyone else". (Not that there aren't posters whom I ignore - but they have earned their status.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Mike, I am really glad we stopped picking on each other, as I think we used to do a while ago. However, what you write here is precisely one thing that used to irk me all the time. PK is undoubtedly one of the best posters on BBF right now. well, I'd argue the best actually. Whether you agree with me on that or not, it is obvious that there is a lot of thought and/or looking at a lot of hands in top-level competition behind almost all of his posts, even if it's just posted as an off-hand remark. I just don't understand how a strong player can read BBF now and then over the last 1-2 years and not have noticed this. I can only imagine it must come from reading BBF with a predisposed bias of "X, Y and Z are the good players in this forum, and I ignore everyone else". (Not that there aren't posters whom I ignore - but they have earned their status.)Of course I see that Phil is a fine player. I meant what I said...strangely enough....I don't know him. By contrast, I do know a few of the other posters. And with still others, I know something of their methods in real life. Phil is obviously a fine player and thinker. But I have never seen him play a single hand, have no clue (beyond the current thread) of his actual real life methods. That is all I meant to convey. As it happens, Phil responded to my posts by explaining a lot, for which I thanked him. Nothing sinister going on, nor insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yeah as long as he doens't pray everything will be fine :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yeah as long as he doens't pray everything will be fine :)Interesting notion Prayer has no negative effect on anything, as far as I can tell. It does divert energy from more productive, reality-based efforts, but on the other hand it probably engenders a positive state of mind in the person doing the praying. The placebo effect is a well-known beneficial phenomenon :P So my guess is that on balance praying is probably a satisfying way to waste some time if one happens to believe in that sort of thing. Don't know what it has to do with the thread of course. I suspect it was just seen as an opportunity to make an unprovoked insult. Hope it made you feel good, fluffy :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 more like a critic on you for bashing anyone who believes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 more like a critic on you for bashing anyone who believes.and this is relevant to what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 If everyone is done with Mike bashing let's move on. Mike and Phil are in my top 10 posters and I do not mind them jabbing others, including me now and then, in return for their bridge related posts. Arend (Cherdano) on the other hand, jabs at everyone when he finds an opportunity to and does not bring much about bridge part even though he has a lot to offer. Though he is rarely wrong at taking a jab at someone, I admit. But I love him as much as Phil and Mike and he is still in my top 10. Although I am aware I may as well be in his ignore list! http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 and this is relevant to what? You were the one who asked! (ok, this is a troll response :P) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 every day on BBF is like a dysfunctional family gathering for a holiday meal 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 every day on BBF is like a dysfunctional family gathering for a holiday mealExcept the meal is each other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 every day on BBF is like a dysfunctional family gathering for a holiday meal Call me sick if you will, but that's the kind of holiday family meeting I love the most http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 every day on BBF is like a dysfunctional family gathering for a holiday meal There's a reason why activity is going down around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 You were the one who asked! (ok, this is a troll response :P) The bridge threads are for bridge discussions. Insult me as a bad bridge player all you want. Argue with my bridge logic....I enjoy that. You are a believer, I am not. We can agree to disagree. We can even engage in an exchange of insults on that difference, in the unlikely event that we could be bothered to do it all over again, but we do it in the WC. In the meantime, grow up and keep to bridge in the bridge threads, where I respect your contributions even when I disagree with them. If you can't...then go troll someone else. I'll place you on ignore, doubling the list of posters currently resident thereon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Fluffy you are completely infantile in this thread. WTF? I don't get it, you don't even properly post on this in the religion topic (just complaining about other people's posts), just calling it a "piece of *****" thread, but you are happy to take that "*****" elsewhere? What does that make you look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 The bridge threads are for bridge discussions. Insult me as a bad bridge player all you want. Argue with my bridge logic....I enjoy that. You are a believer, I am not. We can agree to disagree. We can even engage in an exchange of insults on that difference, in the unlikely event that we could be bothered to do it all over again, but we do it in the WC. In the meantime, grow up and keep to bridge in the bridge threads, where I respect your contributions even when I disagree with them. If you can't...then go troll someone else. I'll place you on ignore, doubling the list of posters currently resident thereon.I must have missed something, because I though the bridge discussion here was totally dead (EDIT: Last bridge comment was on october 13th more than 2 weeks ago) when I posted a comment as a simple joke, even though I didn't intend any ofence it seems someone got offended. I take the blame for the offence (EDIT: Full blame, someone just explained to me how silly it was, and I agree now), but I don't take any blame for going off topic. Fluffy you are completely infantile in this thread. WTF? I don't get it, you don't even properly post on this in the religion topic (just complaining about other people's posts), just calling it a "piece of *****" thread, but you are happy to take that "*****" elsewhere? What does that make you look like?Again, when I posted that it was a piece of s_h_i_t of a thread it was more like a joke, with a mixture for the pain I got form the memories from that thread, EDIT: I hate it that you took at as an offence. The time I post something to offend someone has only happened once, unsurpisingly on that thread. But I don't plan it to happen again anytime soon. I don't make any puns seriously. I was grown in a way that I'd rather damage myself than offend others. I still keep that way of thinking. But on the internet intentions are unclear, and do not suffice. And the logic is easy: You resurrected my bad memories from that thread, and here you see the consequences. Even when I just intended it as a unharmful joke with a smiley, it has escalated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Which religious thread are you all talking about? Is it the one in "water cooler" something like "religious moderation"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 yeah, that beast, it is so big that referring to it as a whole is not really correct, but inside it there was a lot of things that weren't good for me, specially the strong arguments with mikeh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Could you please stop saying "I am sorry if you took it as an offence?" It's such a politician's apology. It's one step away from "I am sorry that you made me hit you" (more on that later). As a rule of thumb, if you want to apologise, don't start "I am sorry if you." It just makes no sense. I know I asked you to do this before and apparently you still don't get it. And I am not offended, just shocked that you are happy to drag the "*****" from the water cooler to other threads as well. So I resurrected some bad memories and that gives you the right to go and talk about it in any thread you like? What sense does that make? mgoetze: we had this discussion before and the minimum reverse and minimum 3♣ rebid should be more or less the same since they more or less take the same room to stop in 3♣. So 3♣ makes no sense. Ah, there is even a wikipedia article on this!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Presumably accepting the transfer would have shown a balanced hand, so the fact that we happen to play T-Walsh doesn't really affect our choices here. So I'll just pretend to be playing old-fashioned Walsh and accept partner's sign-off in 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 EDIT: I hate it that you took at as an offence. I suspect you are trying to do the right thing...I hope so, anyway. But this edit doesn't help. The purpose of an apology is to convey to the people you offended that you are sorry that you made the offensive remark. By addressing how the offended people reacted, and saying that you are sorry they reacted that way or that you hate that they react that way you are blaming the offended people for their reaction rather than accepting responsibility for having offended them. Does that help? Or were you really just being a jerk, pretending to apologize while making it clear that you don't think you did or said anything wrong? I am pretty sure you aren't being a jerk, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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