el mister Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 MP club game, fav vuln, pard opens a multi 2♦ in first seat, passed to you. Your hand: ♥xx ♦QTxxxxx ♣Jxxx Anything to say? [multi is weak 2M, strong acol 2 in the minors, or massive balanced] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 2♥. Probably partner bids 2♠ but if they don't double you it is ok (especially at favourable vulnerability). If they do double, you can always escape to 3♦. If you didn't have the massive balanced hand in the multi, you could pass. What would 2♦-(p)-2♥-(p)2♠-(p)-2NT/3♣/♦/♥ mean? I think a sensible agreement is that 2nt=weak one-suiter, opener bids 3♣3♣/♦: weak with 5-5 in that suit+hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Well tempting to pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 I think I'd PASS too.Opps have one or both majors .I don't think we want to play in 2H or 2S doubled . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 I think I'd PASS too.Opps have one or both majors .I don't think we want to play in 2H or 2S doubled . I'm not sure what the odds are, embarrassing when pd's hand is xxxx, AKxx, AKJ, AK or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 don't put strong hands in multis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 I'm not sure what the odds are, embarrassing when pd's hand is xxxx, AKxx, AKJ, AK or similar.duhh... I overlooked the strong option ; so, I guess I'm forced to bid 2H . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 duhh... I overlooked the strong option ; so, I guess I'm forced to bid 2H . It would be interesting to see a simulation as to what the chance of a strong hand is after 2♦-P with this hand, presumably one of partner and LHO has a big hand, but not sure what the odds are. It's a difficult sim to do as codifying which hands open a strong 2m and which hands pass over the multi are somewhat subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 2♠. I'm ok with playing 3♥ if pard happens to have a weak 2 in hearts (fat chance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 I pass. It's not even embarrassing if partner's hand is KQJx AKJx xx AKQ or similar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el mister Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Thks - we played it in 5♦X, through a pretty ropey auction. A bloodbath, but escaped with a half-decent score as opps have 6♥ cold. So I was wondering if you could reconcile the desire to make an obstructive bid here that puts pressure on opps, whilst catering for the slight possibility that pard has a big hand. Maybe you can't? (Massive balanced is 24/25 for us, so once in a blue moon). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 2♠. I'm ok with playing 3♥ if pard happens to have a weak 2 in hearts (fat chance). The problem with 2s is it invites game in hearts and you may well end up in 4hx:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 The problem with 2s is it invites game in heartsI don't think it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 If your side is weak you have a generally poor hand for preemption sincep will be shorter in dia than usual. Try to survive those weak hands with 2h (convert 2sx to 3d since you know 2sx is a disaster) and hope for once p has a strong hand where we can show our diamonds later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 The problem with 2s is it invites game in hearts and you may well end up in 4hx:) Lots of people play that it suggests 3H and an invite is gonna go through 2NT. I think this is more reasonable. It does mean that if you'd like to play 4H but only 2S you are kinda screwed, but what can you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 The problem with 2s is it invites game in hearts and you may well end up in 4hx:) Lots of people play that it suggests 3H and an invite is gonna go through 2NT. I think this is more reasonable. It does mean that if you'd like to play 4H but only 2S you are kinda screwed, but what can you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 don't put strong hands in multis I agree,but this op does so your reply is totally unhelpful. I bid 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 1.) Does anyone have a good write-up of Multi 2♦, at least a version similar to this? I already have one for weak-only. 2.) Even if partner has the strong hand, I am passing this. And then changing the bid after the game so that it's weak-only and much more pre-emptive/fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 don't put strong hands in multis Why not? The point of play 2 DIAMONDS as multi is precisely that opener gets to bid again with a strong hand. If you're going to play it as weak only, you might as well open 2♥ as multi, which is much more annoying to the opponents http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Why not? The point of play 2 DIAMONDS as multi is precisely that opener gets to bid again with a strong hand. If you're going to play it as weak only, you might as well open 2♥ as multi, which is much more annoying to the opponents http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif And this is why the 2♥ bid you describe is banned in the UK in most events. Your weak options have to have an anchor suit, if not your either/or may not contain the suit opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 You can play it as weak, or strong with diamonds. Diamond hands are awkward after a 2c opening. And if p opens a multi and you have lots of diamonds, you know he is weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 1.) Does anyone have a good write-up of Multi 2♦, at least a version similar to this? I already have one for weak-only. 2.) Even if partner has the strong hand, I am passing this. And then changing the bid after the game so that it's weak-only and much more pre-emptive/fun! To give you a rough write-up of this 2♦-2♥(P/C, normal response) P=weak ♥2♠ = weak ♠2N = big bal3♣ = 8 playing tricks ♣3♦ = 8 playing tricks ♦ 2♦-2♠(hearts)- bids as over 2♥ except P=♠, 3♥=♥ 2♦-2N strong relay3♣=good ♥ weak 2 (3♦ asks how good)3♦=good ♠ weak 2 (3♥ asks how good)3♥=bad ♥ weak 23♠=bad ♠ weak 23N=big bal4m=8 playing tricks in that minor Some people play the good/bad bids the other way round over 2N or do something more complicated. When I played a multi we played 2♦-3N as 4-4 majors, enough to make 3N opposite the minimum strong balanced but not enough to make a slam opposite a max which allowed you to preempt partner's major without screwing up the strong balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 I would pass. The risk, as already identified, is partner having the strong bal. But even with such a hand there is no certainty of the Diamonds running. Passing describes the hand perfectly, should it not get passed out partner will be well placed to take any further action. Including sacrificing in Diamonds if he has a weak 2 plus some D support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 I agree,but this op does so your reply is totally unhelpful. I bid 2H. Yes his reply may not be helpful to the topic. Otoh, he gave the best advice in this topic that will be helpful to the OP, if OP listens to him imho. But i made a long debate about this with another forum member in the past and I do not want to get into details of it again. When someone tells you that he is a heavy smoker and asks your opinion about how to avoid heavy breathing and terrible coughs, headaches and high blood pressure, you need to tell him to quit smoking. Your answer will not help to heavy smokers or any smoker for that matter, who are not willing to quit, but it will still be the best suggestion. If OP insists on playing it, he made his bed, he will have to sleep in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 "Smoking and drinking won't hurt you in the long run." - Billy Eisenberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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