Jinksy Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=sk3hakjt8daqjcak8&n=saqt95h762dk87cq4]133|200[/hv] Excellent grand. It goes off. Care to bid it anyway? (ETA. If so, how?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I like 7NT. If the spade Jack falls in three rounds, I have 13 tricks. If not, and if the heart Queen doesn't drop stiff, I need a hook. That seems really good, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=sk3hakjt8daqjcak8&n=saqt95h762dk87cq4]133|200[/hv] Excellent grand. It goes off. Care to bid it anyway? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Who dealt ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Who dealt ? I'll bite. This is relevant how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'll bite. This is relevant how? Because I'm opening the N hand and the auction will be a little different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Because I'm opening the N hand and the auction will be a little different. Different from what? And how does this affect the merit of the grannie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 If the auction somehow induces a spade lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm confused. Are you asking how to bid it, or if you would want to be in it knowing that it goes down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 The former. S was dealer, though I think it's interesting to try from each side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar13 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 If I know it's going down, I am cheating--so of course I won't bid it unless I deem the grand a so obvious a bid that it would be cause my to be discovered as a cheat if I didn't bid the grand (unlikely that I'd believe that). If I merely have an intuition that it's going down with no illicit knowledge, the odds to make here are too good to trust my intuition and stay out of the grand (I might well trust my intuition if the grand were borderline). I have answered a question, I have no idea if I have answered OP's question, as I have no idea what that question is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Starting from S: 2♣-2♠(this auction is now F4N unless you're known off 2 tricks)2N-3N4♥-4♠4N-5♦5♥-6♦6♥(I have K or Q, bid 7 with the other)-6♠ Partner is known to hold AQxxx, xx(x), Kx(x), xx(x) with no Q♥, but J♠ and Q♣ very possible, I suspect we settle for 6N at this point. Starting with N: 1N(12-14, that spade suit makes me upgrade)-2♦2♥-3♣3♥-4♣4♦-4♠(KC)5♣-5♦(Q?)5♥(no)-? This auction has gone really badly, S suspects he's missing Q♥ and a black J, but has no idea N has 5 spades, I suspect he settles for 6♥ or more probably 6N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Starting with N: 1N(12-14, that spade suit makes me upgrade)-2♦ <snip> This auction has gone really badly I wonder if the 2D (transfer?) response may be a contributory factor to things going really badly. I take the view that with slam try values, responder should describe if distributional, but enquire/relay/captain if balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think if N opens 1NT (12-14) I'm just bidding 7NT... screw science! ahydra 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think if N opens 1NT (12-14) I'm just bidding 7NT... screw science! ahydra If partner does not have ♥Q, unless he has a 5 card suit, you may well not have 13 tricks without the heart finesse, AQJx, xxx, Kxx, QJx/AQxx, xxx, Kxx(x), QJx(x) for example, the reason to transfer to hearts is to find out whether he has it. If partner does have it, unless the 3 points you're missing are K♦, you're very likely to have 13 tricks. And for us, the option is to open pass or 1N, 1♠ is not in the frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Because I'm opening the N hand and the auction will be a little different. This makes the grand better or worse how precisely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Some very literal-minded people here. I'm looking for bidding sequences, not spider-sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Some very literal-minded people here. I'm looking for bidding sequences, not spider-sense. Ok here is one 1C 1H1S 2S2N 3D3H 3N4C 4H4S 5H which denies the J of H Now you know pd has AQxxx xxx Kxx Qx and no H J Happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 This makes the grand better or worse how precisely? Nobody asked that question, he asked how to bid it and starting with a bid out of turn doesn't help, which is why I asked who dealer was to avoid giving an at that stage irrelevant auction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 With South as Opener, our auction would be shorter than most. 2C-2S (2/3 & 5 sp)2N-6N (2N to see what happens next; 6N=quant opposite a presumed bal 22-24.7N.....Knowing 6 of the eleven, opener can visualize the diamond King and hope for a queen more. Bingo if responder has the heart queen; heart finesse or 5 spade tricks if not. Down one...NEXT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 2♣-2♠2NT-5NT (5NT= quatitative to 7)7♠-7NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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