Time to downgrade ??

[benlessard]

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Imps.

 

1C is 15+ (often bal)

1D is H or pts (often 6-8)

1S is bal without 3H (15-16 or 19-20) or 5S unb 15-17 or 5C+4S 15-20.

 

your options are

 

2C= H+D Gf, you will likely be forced to show your 0544 shape ending in 3S unless partner got 6 great spades or good hand with clubs.

1NT= not forcing, tend to show clubs or many invitationnal hands.

 

partner will only pass 1NT with 15-16 pts and without 3H. either bal with 2H 3244,4243,4234,5233,3253 or unbalanced with 5143,5242,5134,5224.

[cloa513]

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Imps.

 

1C is 15+ (often bal)

1D is H or pts (often 6-8)

1S is bal without 3H (15-16 or 19-20) or 5S unb 15-17 or 5C+4S 15-20.

 

your options are

 

2C= H+D Gf, you will likely be forced to show your 0544 shape ending in 3S unless partner got 6 great spades or good hand with clubs.

1NT= not forcing, tend to show clubs or many invitationnal hands.

 

partner will only pass 1NT with 15-16 pts and without 3H. either bal with 2H 3244,4243,4234,5233,3253 or unbalanced with 5143,5242,5134,5224.

On balance prefer 2C- excellent chances for 3NT. Unlikely to want to play anywhere else. A bit crazy that your system gets you to commit or near deny game on your second bid so much for exploration opportunities with strong club opening.

[mcphee]

Seems you have end-played responder into playing game, where ever that may end up being.2C.

[the hog]

What a horrible mess. I would change the system.

[Cyberyeti]

Just curious, how do you show clubs if you can't afford partner to pass 1N ?

[Kungsgeten]

I would bid 1NT. I think that it might be a good spot if opener can not make another bid.

[nige1]

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1C is 15+ (often bal)

1D is H or pts (often 6-8)

1S is bal without 3H (15-16 or 19-20) or 5S unb 15-17 or 5C+4S 15-20.

your options are

2C= H+D Gf, you will likely be forced to show your 0544 shape ending in 3S unless partner got 6 great spades or good hand with clubs.

1NT= not forcing, tend to show clubs or many invitationnal hands.

partner will only pass 1NT with 15-16 pts and without 3H. either bal with 2H 3244,4243,4234,5233,3253 or unbalanced with 5143,5242,5134,5224. [/hv]

IMO 2♣ = 10, 1N = 8. Notrump may be the best contract but not played by me. The danger of missing a reasonable game is greater than that of reaching a hopeless one. Anyway, no self-respecting Walrus would stay out of game with chunky suits and 24 combined HCP :)

[whereagles]

1NT too. If pard happens to bid another suit, we'll have superb support. If he passes, we're not much worse either.

[foobar]

2♣ on the theory that they will likely be in game after a 1N opening at the other table. If it backfires, it might be time to reevaluate the responses over 1♣, which might not be such a bad thing :).

[benlessard]

Just curious, how do you show clubs if you can't afford partner to pass 1N ?

 

its simply a transfer scheme

Pass= 0-5 with 3S

1NT = inv or weak with H+C

2C = 5D weak or H+D gf or Bal Gf

2D = 6H inv or 5C+H gf

2H = S inv (4) or H+S GF

2S = low short H+C GF

2NT = 2524

rest is 1534 etc..

 

 

our nt range is 2 pts, but 15-16 & 19-20 are together so when responder is 6-8 we will play 1nt/2M vs one and game vs the other. If opener is 17-18 its 1C-1D-1NT or 1C-1D-2H (18-20 with 4H).

 

Here the bottom line is simply do you downgrade a 9 count (to 8 pts) with no aces when it look like a misfit. At the other table you know they will be in game. Either its 1NT opening or 1S-1Nt-2m-3m-game.

[glen]

At the other table you know they will be in game

then I don't downgrade. I don't have enough information to make a clear decision to have a swing here

[benlessard]

My hand was

 

 

AKxx

Ax

xxx

AJTx

 

Maybe I could have 1NT instead of 1S to show 17-18 bal but I had no spots. I guess that there is still some chances to avoid a S lead in 3NT so game is better than 50%.

[whereagles]

maybe you can scrap up an extra point for the club combo ♣AJTx.. but that could backfire the other way around.. I dunno man.

[yunling]

Opener has 17 and responder has 8 in my home-grown evaluation method :)

[yunling]

Double post deleted.

[jallerton]

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Imps.

 

1C is 15+ (often bal)

1D is H or pts (often 6-8)

1S is bal without 3H (15-16 or 19-20) or 5S unb 15-17 or 5C+4S 15-20.

 

your options are

 

2C= H+D Gf, you will likely be forced to show your 0544 shape ending in 3S unless partner got 6 great spades or good hand with clubs.

1NT= not forcing, tend to show clubs or many invitationnal hands.

 

partner will only pass 1NT with 15-16 pts and without 3H. either bal with 2H 3244,4243,4234,5233,3253 or unbalanced with 5143,5242,5134,5224.

 

I have a 0544 9-count and partner has 15+HCP. If I can show my exact shape at the 3♠ level why would I want to do anything else?

[steve2005]

IMO 2♣ = 10, 1N = 8. Notrump may be the best contract but not played by me. The danger of missing a reasonable game is greater than that of reaching a hopeless one. Anyway, no self-respecting Walrus would stay out of game with chunky suits and 24 combined HCP :)

like this, nothing says u cant have a for for partner just cause they bid spades. besides you have nice 9 hcp this could easily be enough for p.