Too Many Points in this Deck

[Bbradley62]

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I don't see why 3♦ should show 18+, especially after such strong bidding from both opps. I also don't see why North thinks his hand is worth 5♦, even if he thinks I have 18+. -11 IMPs, because only 2 of 8 Souths bid 2♥, never mind 3♦. The only saving grace was that the other guy who did so then redoubled at the end :o

[1eyedjack]

What would Pass over 3C have shown? Would you be obliged to double 3C holding Clubs?

 

For all you know, defending may be the best option, and there is certainly a case for a free bid of 3D to show extras, although perhaps extra shape might be enough. Whether 18 TP is a sensible cut off point to qualify as extras is a valid concern.

 

Perhaps the opponents showing strength ups the ante for coming in, not because you fear missing game but for safety in contesting the part score.

 

 

[steve2005]

Does Gib ever invite.? It seems there are so many examples where Gib leaps to game or slam on inadequate values.

[johnu]

Does Gib ever invite.? It seems there are so many examples where Gib leaps to game or slam on inadequate values.

 

The other question is does GIB ever devalue likely worthless values like King fifth of hearts when LHO has opening in the suit? This doesn't come close to an invitational bid in my valuation system.

[uva72uva72]

My own personal favorite when the robot credits two points for a singleton in South's first-bid suit for the purposes of determining at what level to play a no-trump contract. I was advised that a fix was in the works, but I had the impression that it was instance-specific rather than general.

[Bbradley62]

What would Pass over 3C have shown? Would you be obliged to double 3C holding Clubs?

Dunno; I just made my bid without checking these, and no one else chose them.

 

For all you know, defending may be the best option, and there is certainly a case for a free bid of 3D to show extras, although perhaps extra shape might be enough. Whether 18 TP is a sensible cut off point to qualify as extras is a valid concern.

I was okay with showing extras, since I have 14/15 after having shown only 9+. I guess programmers made this threshold high (18) since North has not shown anything. (He would bid 2N with x, xxxx, xxxx, xxxx.)