Alibar10 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 My partner was a player with advanced ranking. Ops opened the bidding and my partner bid 1nt. I had 10 high card points so I bid 2nt. Partner bid 3nt. He had no profile. Turns out he had eleven high card points and went down several tricks and booted me from the table. I'm not objecting to the boot, but I think he was way off to overcall 1nt unless he held at least 15 pts. I've noticed the players who rank themselves advanced or higher are the ones more likely to lack sportsmanship. I realize there are many exceptions. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 My partner was a player with advanced ranking. Ops opened the bidding and my partner bid 1nt. I had 10 high card points so I bid 2nt. Partner bid 3nt. He had no profile. Turns out he had eleven high card points and went down several tricks and booted me from the table. I'm not objecting to the boot, but I think he was way off to overcall 1nt unless he held at least 15 pts. I've noticed the players who rank themselves advanced or higher are the ones more likely to lack sportsmanship. I realize there are many exceptions. :)There are plenty of players who will do stupid things, then boot their partner. It has happened to me. I just mark them as enemy and sit elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 If my partner overcalled a natural 1NT and I had a 10 count, I would not invite - I would force to game. You invited game and he accepted with his 11 count? That is impressive. Don't assume that all players who self-rate as Advanced or higher are poor sports. But there certainly are enough of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Maybe he thought you opened the bidding. Or maybe he's a jerk. Or maybe both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibar10 Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 If my partner overcalled a natural 1NT and I had a 10 count, I would not invite - I would force to game. You invited game and he accepted with his 11 count? That is impressive. Don't assume that all players who self-rate as Advanced or higher are poor sports. But there certainly are enough of them. I didn't assume all players did. I only know it about some, but thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibar10 Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Thanks all for the responses. I appreciate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 maybe you left out a minor important detail from the story... Partner was a passed hand, so his 1N cannot show 15+ points.[hv=bbo=y&lin=pn|South,West,Alibar10,East|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S26JH35QKD2TJC9JK%2CS358TQH78D359QC56%2CS7KH469JD47AC78TQ%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2027%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7C]360|270[/hv] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 maybe you left out a minor important detail from the story... Partner was a passed hand, so his 1N cannot show 15+ points.[hv=bbo=y&lin=pn|South,West,Alibar10,East|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S26JH35QKD2TJC9JK%2CS358TQH78D359QC56%2CS7KH469JD47AC78TQ%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2027%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7C]360|270[/hv]oh....what a trivial detail :D [/sarcasm] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 maybe you left out a minor important detail from the story... Partner was a passed hand, so his 1N cannot show 15+ points.[hv=bbo=y&lin=pn|South,West,Alibar10,East|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S26JH35QKD2TJC9JK%2CS358TQH78D359QC56%2CS7KH469JD47AC78TQ%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2027%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7C]360|270[/hv]Although to be fair, North was also a passed hand. So he can't have an invitational hand either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themule Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 My partner was a player with advanced ranking. Ops opened the bidding and my partner bid 1nt. I had 10 high card points so I bid 2nt. Partner bid 3nt. He had no profile. Turns out he had eleven high card points and went down several tricks and booted me from the table. I'm not objecting to the boot, but I think he was way off to overcall 1nt unless he held at least 15 pts. I've noticed the players who rank themselves advanced or higher are the ones more likely to lack sportsmanship. I realize there are many exceptions. :)It was his mistake, not yours. The best move is not to play with these type of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themule Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Although to be fair, North was also a passed hand. So he can't have an invitational hand either.Why didn´t East open with 1NT? We will never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Declarer showed his true class by rising with the spade king at trick 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Why didn´t East open with 1NT? We will never know.Sure we know... this was in the MBC and East's profile very clearly says "strong nt 16/18". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrande Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Both of you being passed hands means that you have an automatic pass over 1NT, and there is no possible hand you can have than can invite game, so he should pass 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Anyone likes the natural 1NT bid with the passed hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I much prefer raptor as a passed hand, but that is alien territory for most club level players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think that 1NT, 2NT, and 3NT are all bad bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Anyone likes the natural 1NT bid with the passed hand?Depending on how things have been going, I do... One of my favorite auctions, at a Las Vegas NABC many years ago, with first-time partner:P-(1♣)-P-(1♦)P-(1♥)-P-(1♠)1NRHO asks me what pard's 1N means. "He wants to play 1N." "But what does he have?" "I neither know nor care; he wants to play 1N." Many matchpoints for +90. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AreyHakaal Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 If partner was indeed a passed hand then I would have passed knowing fully well that he was upto some monkey tricks or that he was 'balancing'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AreyHakaal Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 With due apologies,I wish to forward a new definition given by my friend partner."Some of the persons who label themselves as experts are persons who know everything of nothing.And some who label themselves as World Class have "cl" silent in that label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 IMO, the average player on BBO doesn't know what they're doing, even if they think they do. Doesn't matter what they have self-rated themselves. If your left hand opponent opened and your partner overcalled 1 NT with 11 hcps, your partner has no idea how to play bridge. OTOH, if your RHO opened and your partner overcalled 1 NT after two passes, he can do that with 11 hcps, and you were wrong to raise. You should pass or perhaps bid a 5-card suit. His correct call with 11 hcps is to bid the 1 NT provided he has a solid stop in the adverse suit and a balanced hand. If he has a better hand such as 15-18 hcps, he would double. Hence, his overcall promises less than 15 hcps. If your partner deals and passes the opening and it goes around the table so your LHO opens, and then your partner overcalls 1 NT, that is Unusual NT asking for a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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