Correct ruling?

[gordontd]

What do they think about call out of turn? Shouldn't that deserve a similar consideration?

 

However, even with my experience call out of turn is an irregularity which I (for one) NEVER rule on without opening the book and finding the correct law. There are just too many variants.

 

(The only exception is pass out of turn before any player has bid (Law 30A) which I do handle from memory, but even then it is important to not forget Laws 29, 30C and 23.)

I agree with these comments about COOTs, but the difference between them and opening leads out of turn is that the COOT laws are in one place whereas the OLOOT laws require cross-referencing back and forth through the law book.

[lamford]

Of course using the book when giving a ruling is good practice.

In clubs with a playing director, if the TD knows the procedure for the common infractions, it is quicker to give the ruling without the book.

[campboy]

What do they think about call out of turn? Shouldn't that deserve a similar consideration?

Evidently not [edit: I mean evidently they think it doesn't], since a call out of turn is not automatically part of the final exam.

 

However, the two are completely different. Every time you have an opening lead out of turn, the spiel is exactly the same, but there is a lot of it; the difficulty is in not missing anything out. For a COOT there are several possibilities, but the ruling in each case is shorter; the difficulty is in finding the right bit.

[campboy]

In clubs with a playing director, if the TD knows the procedure for the common infractions, it is quicker to give the ruling without the book.

True, although I would prefer to say "without opening the book".

[pran]

Evidently not [edit: I mean evidently they think it doesn't], since a call out of turn is not automatically part of the final exam.

 

However, the two are completely different. Every time you have an opening lead out of turn, the spiel is exactly the same, but there is a lot of it; the difficulty is in not missing anything out. For a COOT there are several possibilities, but the ruling in each case is shorter; the difficulty is in finding the right bit.

 

Are you saying that the candidates will know (in advance) in what themes they will or may, respectively will not or may not be examined?????

 

(And a side remark: There is a difference between OLOOT and LOOT. I believe these themes have been mixed within this discussion.)

[Vampyr]

Are you saying that the candidates will know (in advance) in what themes they will or may, respectively will not or may not be examined?????

 

Of course not. What they do know is that they will be expected to give their OLOOT spiel (they are called away individually from the written exam to do this) and they will each be given several simulations on other topics to do. They don't know what these topics will be.

 

The assessment follows a three-day course (prior to which a quiz whose answers can be found in the Laws and the various-coloured books is submitted).

 

The EBU Club TD course is very popular; it is even taken by people who have no intention of ever directing,

[blackshoe]

Sounds like a pretty good course. My "TD course" was me reading the law book, duplicate decisions, appeals casebooks, and all I could find about ACBL regulations, and then taking the (open book) multiple guess written test, which, iirc had some 100+ questions, of which the last few were "extra credit". I missed three (out of all including the extra credit). :-) I don't recall the details any more, but I do remember that one of them I disagreed with the "correct" answer, and the other two were IMO poorly worded. But I wasn't allowed to keep a copy of the test, so no record of what they were.

[campboy]

(And a side remark: There is a difference between OLOOT and LOOT. I believe these themes have been mixed within this discussion.)

Yes, I said "LOOT" in a previous post when I meant "OLOOT". It is specifically OLOOT where the EBU exam requires you to give the ruling from memory.

[Vampyr]

Sounds like a pretty good course. My "TD course" was me reading the law book, duplicate decisions, appeals casebooks, and all I could find about ACBL regulations, and then taking the (open book) multiple guess written test,

 

Yes, I did this one many years ago. Doesn't really seem like a great way to qualify directors. The hardest part, by far, was calculating a fouled board and an average board.

 

I assume that the ACBL have something better now.

[blackshoe]

Yes, I did this one many years ago. Doesn't really seem like a great way to qualify directors. The hardest part, by far, was calculating a fouled board and an average board.

 

I assume that the ACBL have something better now.

I don't know. I think they might have an online course. I'll have to look into that. Of course, there's the standard (one day, I think) TD course given at NABCs, and there's a refresher also given at NABCs, but I've not taken either of those, and a lot of people can't get to NABCs. I think the ACBL will give these courses at regionals if the TO requests them, but I've not seen that happen (not that I pay all that much attention to what goes on at regionals other than in my own area).