How do you play this double?

[mgoetze]

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In case it matters, our 1♣ includes all 11-13 and 17-19 balanced hands.

 

What's double?

[Cyberyeti]

Penalties, very likely a balanced 17 often with 4 spades and not 4 hearts, also could be 5♣/4♠ and a 16 count

[SteveMoe]

Three options come to mind -

1) 17-19 Balanced,

2) Takeout of ♠

3) Any hand with 3♥ cards that wants to compete.

 

I like 1).

[mgoetze]

Three options come to mind -

1) 17-19 Balanced,

2) Takeout of ♠

3) Any hand with 3♥ cards that wants to compete.

 

I like 1).

1) is kind of what I assumed first, but then I thought about it and ... isn't 3) a lot more common?

[mgoetze]

I mean, say East has 10 points, South has 6 and West has 8. Complicated mathematical deduction will lead to the conclusion that North does not have 17-19.

 

Even if everyone is subminimum or bluffing, we might have 17-19, but then we might still have 3 or 4 hearts.

[MrAce]

Penalty. He is on lead, he may hold the hands you guys already mentioned as well as he may have doubled with running clubs. Keep in mind most people bid 1 NT without caring much about stoppers in opener's minor. But even if he has a stopper pd may have the rest + sure entries.

[Zelandakh]

You could compromise and play it as support + extras. That would make it easier for partner to convert it when it is right.

[kgr]

1C-(P)-1H-(1NT)

Here we have in our system that DBL is support.

The given auction is undefined, but I would also assume support.

[Zelandakh]

1C-(P)-1H-(1NT)

Here we have in our system that DBL is support.

The given auction is undefined, but I would also assume support.

Do you have the auction 1♣ - (1♥) - X - (1NT); X in your file?

[kgr]

Do you have the auction 1♣ - (1♥) - X - (1NT); X in your file?

Only that when 4th hand over calls a natural 1NT then DBL is support. System doesn't contain anything about 2nd hand also did bid in this case. But I assume it is still support.

Note: if 1NT is 2-suiter then DBL is penalty oriented.

Edit: verified with partner. He agrees it is still support.

[SteveMoe]

1) is kind of what I assumed first, but then I thought about it and ... isn't 3) a lot more common?

 

Yep.

This auction causes 2 metas to collide - opener's double as 17 -19 and as support. Perhaps the then the default should be higher frequency occasions (support).

With no agreement I suspect 1) is "safer" - more likely to be on partner's mind and more likely to win a post mortem. :rolleyes:

[Trinidad]

Do you have the auction 1♣ - (1♥) - X - (1NT); X in your file?

There is a big difference between 1♣-1♥-Dbl and 1♣-1♠-Dbl. On the first auction responder will have exactly four spades, on the second responder will have 4 or more hearts. That means that 1♣-1♠-Dbl-1NT-Dbl should be support since responder can easily have 5 or more hearts. The interesting question is what 1♣-1♥-Dbl-1NT-Dbl would mean. I would say that it is a hand that doesn't want to sell out to 2♥: close to a 3145 pattern and not ashamed of having opened.

 

Rik

[helene_t]

With 3145 I think you can pass (or bid 2cl with good clubs) and then bid 2s in the rebound. 2245 is more difficult but maybe 2d is weakish because a real reverse would have doubled. I think playing this double as t/o caters to a narrow set of hands so I prefer penalty.