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[0 luca]

I missed . Theyopen 1 ♦

1 ♦

1 ♥

2 ♣

2 ♦

3 ♥

...

[kugw]

I am interested in how the bidding would go playing:

 

1. Acol 12-14 no trump with and without Crowhust

2. SA 15-17 5542 or 5533 with:

simple 2♣ check back;

new minor forcing;

2-way check back;

transfer Walsh.

 

[hv=pc=n&s=sqj987haj854d5ct8&n=sthkqt6dajt2cak65]133|200[/hv]

 

It is MP pairs btw if that influences your decision.

 

If South opens 1♣ there may or may not be an overcall of 1♦by East. I am particularly interested in how Acol players would bid this.

 

Thank you in advance

 

When I was learning bridge you opened the suit below the shortage and proceeded from there. hence 1H. And with the South hand it is a 4H response <10 hcp and 5+ hearts and some shortage. If you judge the hand good enough to splinter then by all means do so as this option will lead to 6H being the final contract.

[mgoetze]

When I was learning bridge

Was that before or after this thread was started?

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&s=sqj987haj854d5ct8&n=sthkqt6dajt2cak65&d=N]133|200| I am interested in how the bidding would go playing:

1. Acol 12-14 no trump with and without Crowhust

2. SA 15-17 5542 or 5533 with:

simple 2♣ check back;

new minor forcing;

2-way check back;

transfer Walsh.

It is MP pairs btw if that influences your decision.

If South opens 1♣ there may or may not be an overcall of 1♦by East. I am particularly interested in how Acol players would bid this. [/hv]

Still learning but, IMO, 4♥ seems best. 2♣ less good :( -- but might score better than 6♥ :) Assuming that North deals:

1. Normal Acol 1♦ - 1♠; 1N - 2♥; 4♥ AP.
2. Crowhust Acol 1♦ - 1♠; 1N - 3♥; - 4♥ AP. (3♥ = 5+5+ invitational).
3. Majors first Acol 1♥ - 4♥ AP.
4. On a bad day, Acol and SA: 1♦ - 1♠ -; 2♣ AP. :(
5. On a good day, Acol and SA: 1♦ - 1♠ -; 2♣ - 2♠; 2N - 3♥ -; 4♥ AP. :)
6. Jasmine 1♣ (1♦) 1N -; 2♥ - 2N -; 3♥ - 4♦ -; 4♥ AP. (1♣ = Strong. 1N = +ve both Ms. 2N = 1 keycard. 3♥ = Mild slam interest).

[kugw]

Why complicate something that is quite simple.

 

Playing standard Acol the bidding would simply go:

 

Opener........Responder

..1H...............4H shortage, 5+ hearts and 10-15 playing points

 

and that is most likely where the auction would end.

 

 

 

Playing 4 card Acol with splinters the auction is simple.

 

Opener.......Responder

..1H............4D shortage diamonds, 5+ hearts and 10-15 playing points

 

and now opener decides to continue on or bid 4H, that is the only problem with this hand.

 

Opener has to decide how good his hand is opposite known support and a good shortage.

[Dinarius]

Does 6♥ have much hope on a trump lead?

 

Don't think so.

 

I play 5 card majors, strong 15-17 NT and prepared♣

 

So, I bid....

 

1♣:1♠

2NT :3♥

4♥

 

2NT is a white lie and an upgrade but, given the spade bid, and the quality of my pips, I'm happy to stand over it.

 

 

D

[Zelandakh]

2NT is a white lie and an upgrade but, given the spade bid, and the quality of my pips, I'm happy to stand over it.

What would your rebid be if you change the ♦J to the nine?

[vmsmith]

Getting there is easy making it requires that they do not lead trump.

1D - 1S

2H - 4H

5C - 5H

6H

The 2H reverse shows a strong hand.

4H shows length and strength.

This means 5-5 thus only 3 cards in the minors.

5C shows first round control. Now make it.

[kugw]

Was that before or after this thread was started?

After this thread started.

[Zelandakh]

After this thread started.

 

Then someone taught you an extremely old-fashioned version of Acol! I do not think I have seen this method suggested in any books written this side of 1970.

[kugw]

Then someone taught you an extremely old-fashioned version of Acol! I do not think I have seen this method suggested in any books written this side of 1970.

 

 

So what is Acol 2016?

 

And, how does Acol 2016 bid this hand?

[helene_t]

So what is Acol 2016?

 

And, how does Acol 2016 bid this hand?

The closest you can come to an official system description is maybe http://www.ebu.co.uk/documents/laws-and-ethics/convention-cards/modern-acolv2-system-file.pdf

This is not a system which "experts" would play but it is a reasonably modern system which EBU has endorsed and finds suitable for club players.

 

It starts

1♦-1♠

2♣

 

Now responder has a difficult bid but probably 2♠ is the least of evils

1♦-1♠

2♣-2♠

3♥-4♥

pass

 

Opener has shown his strength with the 3♥ bid so he can't do any more. Possibly responder could do more than 4♥ but the only alternative is to ask for aces or bid 5♥ since no other bid would show heart support.

[Zelandakh]

So what is Acol 2016?

The most common treatment for 4441 hands is to open the suit below a red suit singleton or the middle suit with a black singleton. Another modern alternative is to open 1♦ on any 4441 except a singleton diamond, in which case 1♣. Both of these methods provide slightly better clarity on major suit length than the older approach with the key auction being 1♥ - 1♠; 2♣. The common treatment has almost no downside; the alternative makes the auction 1♦ - 2♣; 2♦ more difficult, which in turn has some knock-on effects (with similarities to a 5 card major system) but gains the upside that any new suit rebid after a 1M opening promises 5+ cards in the major.

 

On the specific hand, many others have already provided Acol auctions (all starting with 1♦ you will note) so it seems unnecessary to repeat the effort again. A lot depends on the handling of a singleton in partner's suit. While there is generally very strong agreement that opening 1♥ with this shape is a poor idea, there is much less agreement about the best choice of rebid.