paulhar Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 You are playing in a strong rubber bridge club with strangers where most duplicate convetions are not used. Your partner asks for aces (4NT), you answer, and your partner bids 5NT. You have four kings. Your bid? (If it would be different with your regular partner AND you play standard Blackwood, let me know. Thanks.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 This time you need to give more choices, something at 7 level, and more detailed desciption on bidding process. Is trump agreed or not? If yes, I would bid 7 of the agreed suit, else I would bid 7♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Unless pard is a daisy-picker, I bid 7-something. If he likes to use conventions just for the sake of it, oblige and bid 6C, which is 0 or 4 kings. Pard should be able to tell from the rest of the auction which case it is :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I agree with ♥A that we need more information. Something at the 7 level is probably the best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Rubber bridge? And you are assuming we have all 4 aces when pard bids 5N? Have you actually played rubber bridge? :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Playing rubber with an unknown, I just bid 6C showing 0/4. Mind you this depends on who my pd is. With most rb partners 5NT does NOT guarantee 4 Aces, even in a "strong" rb club - Phil is quite correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 id bid 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 OK, the reason behind the question. While gathering material for a course, I've seen in print that the answers for kings are the same as for aces, only one level higher. (i.e. 6C with all 4 kings) It appeared once again in this month's ACBL Bridge Bulletin. I think that bidding 6C with four kings is an insult to partner. Yes, partner should be always able to know the difference between four aces and none, but I can imagine situations where no kings or all four might be in doubt! Even if your strong partner might not have all the aces, his reason for asking must be that he intended to play 6NT opposite all the kings, perhaps for safety reasons, like to avoid losing an ace and a trump on a really foul trump split - or to avoid going down to ace and a ruff. So, it seems clear to me to bid 6NT. If anyone can shoot a hole in the above argument, I would look forward to hearing from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 When you use 5NT you ARE in 6-level already! When you are short of an Ace and trump King (2 key cards), you still have to stay in 6-level. Or maybe the rule changed, and you can bid back to lower level? When one uses 5NT to ask Kings (or secondary keycards), it says we have all Aces (or first level keycards). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 While that's what my partner and I play, there are some matchpoint players who ask for Kings without all the Aces in an attempt to reach a higher-scoring 6NT instead of 6 of a suit - choosing to play in 6 of a suit off an Ace and a King hoping that the King isn't an important one to the success of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Rubber bridge? And you are assuming we have all 4 aces when pard bids 5N? Have you actually played rubber bridge? :) :lol: :lol:No. And it seems I rather shouldn't (or be prepared to lose lots of money due to bidding misunderstandings) :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 While that's what my partner and I play, there are some matchpoint players who ask for Kings without all the Aces in an attempt to reach a higher-scoring 6NT instead of 6 of a suit - choosing to play in 6 of a suit off an Ace and a King hoping that the King isn't an important one to the success of the contract. Was that a mp rubber :) I think if you arent sure and im not even sure with some of my regular partners, just bid 7 of your suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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