Alibar10 Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Opening one of a major and partner bids 2nt. Nothing listed in either profile re Jacoby or anything else other than Standard American system, I take the 2nt to mean 11-12 high card points. Twice lately, partner has insisted it means he holds an opening nt hand. Am I mistaken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 He can't expect you to guess what it means if your only agreement is to play SA which is very vague. I wouldn't assume anything but just make the most natural rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibar10 Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Please tell me which system would it mean 11-12 high card points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Probably not in any SA variant. In goren it is a gf nt hand and for most others it is a spade raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Antrax Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 When I learned "SAYC" (in actuality, "Israeli Standard" which isn't that far away), 1 any - 2NT was 10-11 balanced, presumably with no fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Please tell me which system would it mean 11-12 high card points? In Acol for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 French standard uses 1x-1/2/3NT as respectively 5-10/11-12/13-15 HCP with 16+ change suit and, if pard's rebid suits you, make a slam try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 1M - 2NT is a natural invite in Acol, SEF and Forum D. In SAYC it is natural and game forcing. In full Forum D+ (and probably 2/1 although that is open to interpretation) it is a GF raise. In an undefined SA variant it could be any of these. It is also not uncommon to modify the meaning by agreement. A simple solution is a. never make the bid undiscussed, and b. if partner makes the bid just reply 3NT if this seems at all reasonable, then check what they actually held afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 In SAYC it is natural and game forcing.Since when? It's Jacoby 2NT in SAYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Oops, you are right Barry - that will teach me to post about SAYC without checking the booklet first. I was getting confused with 1m - 2NT. It would seem I fell into the same trap as Alibar's partners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaltstart Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 In SEF, a 2NT response after a 1M opener shows exactly a 3card fit and invites to game. Without intervention 3M shows a 4card fit, usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 In SEF, a 2NT response after a 1M opener shows exactly a 3card fit and invites to game. Without intervention 3M shows a 4card fit, usually. I have that in Lebel's book, but it's for advanced players. Not exactly french "standard". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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