manudude03 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=sh853dakq9742c964]133|100[/hv] 1st seat favorable, MPs scoring. I'll split this into 2 polls, one for standard methods, and one for the system in use. For better or worse (mostly worse), we were playing a strong club system without the precision 2C opening, so 1D would have to cater for all opening club hands as well as the diamond hands (2D opening is multi, this hand wouldn't cover either option). 3NT would have been a specific ace ask. With all that in mind, what do you open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 3♦ to both and I don't think it's close. Yes, it's probably going to go 4♠ next but I'm feeling a lot better about whatever partner does (including pass!) if I open 3 rather than 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Textbook gambling 3NT. Not playing that I think I'll stretch it and bid 4♦. Reasons are: 1. Pard won't be expecting such good a suit, so even if 3NT is there, he's likely to misevaluate if I open 3♦ and not bid it. But if I open 4♦, he might go to 5 with some cards.. this might not happen if I open 3♦. 2. If stuff gets competitive, I'll be glad I opened 4♦, not 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Textbook gambling 3NT.How can a hand with a void be textbook for a call that denies an ace or void? It is a reasonable Gambling 3NT but by no means textbook. The problem with 3♦ on a hand like this within the context of the OP system is that we are typically already stretching this for hands that might have opened a weak 2 in a standard set-up. If we stretch both on the bottom end and the top then it makes it even harder on partner than usual for wide-ranging preempts. This is one reason I would prefer to be playing 3NT as a good 4m preempt than a spcecifc ace ask within this context. It allows us to remove some of these hands from the top end without giving up on 3NT too often. Given the above and the favourable vulnerability I prefer 5♦ to 3♦ but 4♦ is probably the value call. This is essentially the choice you make for giving up both 2♦ and 3NT for other purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 How can a hand with a void be textbook for a call that denies an ace or void? It is a reasonable Gambling 3NT but by no means textbook.Depends which textbooks you read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zelandakh Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Depends which textbooks you read.Indeed, the original Gambling 3NT is something quite different with side suit requirements beyond no irst round control. So it would not surprise me in the least if there was a library of textbooks without that requirement - but it is still the most common version for a "pick-up textbook". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 At the very least every textbook I've ever read specifys an AKQJ suit for gambling 3N is holding only 7. Missing the jack you're going to have problems running it often enough to be annoying, even assuming you're not off 5 off the top. PS: In context of the system, I don't think straining to open 3♦ with crap is right. Opening 3♦ on bad hands might work against bad opponents but I don't think it's an effective long term treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 1. How can a hand with a void be textbook for a call that denies an ace or void? It is a reasonable Gambling 3NT but by no means textbook. 2. (...) I would prefer to be playing 3NT as a good 4m preempt (...) 3. It allows us to remove some of these hands from the top end without giving up on 3NT too often. 1. Everybody (even textbook authors... lol) opens AKQxxxx with 3NT. And, as you probably know from experience, most even do it with side ace/king, despite their CC saying otherwise :) 2. I once ran a sim on that. Odds for AKQ 7th and out are about the same as those for a classical 4m. 3. Not that it will happen too often lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 4D at this vul, not playing a gambling 3NT and it is not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Bidding game too important so trotting out the ole gambling 3n here (a bid I hatebut feel compelled to use anyway since most of the time the tactical considerationsare less important then being able to bid game). W/O the ability to bid 3n gambling, 4d seems best. Since 3n would have been unlikely to be reached anyway (over a 3d bid) we might as well go for the maximum preempt w/o losing 4h (or ackk 4s) as a final contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foobar Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 My preference would be to bid 4♦ regardless of the methods. It's barely possible that 3N will get passed out and unless pard can withstand 3N-X, we are likely to end up there anyway. [Edit]Missed the NV vs. vul. first time around. Changing vote to 5♦ to exert maximum pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 If this hand falls within my agreement for a gambling 3NT, I bid that. If not, I will try 5♦. Favorable makes me feisty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 When playing Gambling 3NT, you open 3NT, that's a no brainer imo. When not playing Gambling in a strong ♣ system, I prefer to open with a limited opening. Partner won't get too excited, but if he has values our solid suit will compensate for the lack of power in our hand. I don't like to go past 3NT immediately with such hands, and I think this hand is way too strong for a favorable 3♦ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Surprised at all the votes for 3D and 4D. If I am not playing Gambling, you can put me down for 5D-and-its-not-close, at favorable. The void is a flaw but it would not stop me from 3NT if I am playing Gambling (or from 5D). Funny that there are now 'not-close" votes for so many different openings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 5D is really wild, not my cup of tea though ofc it could work. I would be deciding between 1D and 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 At the very least every textbook I've ever read specifys an AKQJ suit for gambling 3N is holding only 7. Missing the jack you're going to have problems running it often enough to be annoying, even assuming you're not off 5 off the top. That's not really true. You only need a 3-2 break to run the suit, so the odds are in your favour. If partner passes with a void they had best be able to conjure up 9 tricks on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted September 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Thanks for the replies. I decided to open 1D. Partner has somewhere in the region of AJT9x AQx J AKQx, and had the everyday auction of 1D-(1S)-P-(P)-2D-(P)-6NT, just making when partner took "insurance" by giving up a spade. Diamonds were 3-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted September 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Thanks for the replies. I decided to open 1D. Partner has somewhere in the region of AJT9x AQx J AKQx, and had the everyday auction of 1D-(1S)-P-(P)-2D-(P)-6NT, just making when partner took "insurance" by giving up a spade. Diamonds were 3-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Thanks for the replies. I decided to open 1D. Partner has somewhere in the region of AJT9x AQx J AKQx, and had the everyday auction of 1D-(1S)-P-(P)-2D-(P)-6NT, just making when partner took "insurance" by giving up a spade. Diamonds were 3-2.conveniently, gambling 3NT will get you to the cold 6♦ 100% of the time and avoid the questionable 7♦ at the same time. I think with this hand, opening 1♦ was ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=sh853dakq9742c964]133|100| 1st seat favorable, MPs scoring.I'll split this into 2 polls, one for standard methods, and one for the system in use.For better or worse (mostly worse), we were playing a strong club system without the precision 2C opening, so 1D would have to cater for all opening club hands as well as the diamond hands (2D opening is multi, this hand wouldn't cover either option). 3NT would have been a specific ace ask. With all that in mind, what do you open?[/hv] IMO, at MPs, the danger of opening 4♦/5♦ is that you miss 3N. Mandud03 ♣ system: 1♦ = 10, 3♦ = 9, 4♦ = 8, 5♦ = 7."Standard" system: 3N = 10, 1♦ = 9, 3♦ = 8, 4♦ = 7, 5♦ = 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 conveniently, gambling 3NT will get you to the cold 6♦ 100% of the time and avoid the questionable 7♦ at the same time. I think with this hand, opening 1♦ was ok.Not so sure about that. Once you find out about the spade "singleton" opposite are you not thinking that you could set up the ♠J with the heart finesse as a backup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 conveniently, gambling 3NT will get you to the cold 6♦ 6NT 100% of the time and avoid the questionable 7♦ at the same time.Fixed. Partner can count 12 tricks with diamonds breaking. It is matchpoints after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Fixed. Partner can count 12 tricks with diamonds breaking. It is matchpoints after all. 7D has a higher percentage of making than 6N. And when both are down 7D will go down less, beating the people in 6N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 7D has a higher percentage of making than 6N. And when both are down 7D will go down less, beating the people in 6N.Not sure I follow. I was assuming that the gambling 3NT showed zero outside values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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