dickiegera Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 We started with 1♠-2♥, ending in 5 Hearts. Makes 7♦, 7NT, 6♠ or 6♥ Thank you[hv=pc=n&s=sakq763h6dakq85c5&n=shaq98543d763cakq]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 1♠ - 2♥3♦ - 3♥4♦ - 4N5♦ - 5♥ ♦Q?5♠ - 6♣6♠ - 7♦ ♠K - ♣ control♠Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 South has 12 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiegera Posted August 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 South has 12 cards. South has 5 of clubs. sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 South has 5 of clubs. sorryTo stop in 5H means that something went very wrong. You provide a start but not the entire sequence, suggesting that the first rebid is where the train went off the tracks. This seems right. The 6-5 hand is difficult to show. If you rebid diamonds, partner cannot raise spades quickly because that would require 3. If you rebid spades, the auction can get even messier. With discussion and agreement, I have methods to show 6-5 hands with two losers, but that's a tad obscure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiegera Posted August 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 To stop in 5H means that something went very wrong. You provide a start but not the entire sequence, suggesting that the first rebid is where the train went off the tracks. This seems right. The 6-5 hand is difficult to show. If you rebid diamonds, partner cannot raise spades quickly because that would require 3. If you rebid spades, the auction can get even messier. With discussion and agreement, I have methods to show 6-5 hands with two losers, but that's a tad obscure. Biding went 1♠-2♥-3♠-4♥-5♦-5♥-all pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 1♠ - 2♥3♦ - 3♥4♦ - 4N5♦ - 5♥ ♦Q?5♠ - 6♣6♠ - 7♦ ♠K - ♣ control♠QYou have the hand with a void using RKCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 We would have a sequence incompatible with 2/1 (starting 1♠-2♥(not GF)-2N(art GF)), but would end up with N using a version of GSF in diamonds and S showing 3 tops having previously shown 5 diamonds and a huge hand so would reach 7♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Biding went 1♠-2♥-3♠-4♥-5♦-5♥-all passYour downfall was the 3S rebid. Impossible to recover after that IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 We started with 1♠-2♥, ending in 5 Hearts. Makes 7♦, 7NT, 6♠ or 6♥ Thank you[hv=pc=n&s=sakq763h6dakq85c5&n=shaq98543d763cakq]133|200[/hv]As much as I like constructing slam auctions, I'm not too thrilled with this one :1S - 2H ( 2/1 GF )3D - 3H3S - 3NT4D - 6D7Dwhere:bidding ♠-♦-♠ ostensibly showed a 6s/4d hand stronger than bidding ♠-♠-♦ 4D now showed a 6s/5d hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 We would have a sequence incompatible with 2/1 (starting 1♠-2♥(not GF)-2N(art GF)), but would end up with N using a version of GSF in diamonds and S showing 3 tops having previously shown 5 diamonds and a huge hand so would reach 7♦.Can you show your entire auction ? I'm interested in your GSF version . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 1s - 2h3d - 3h4d - 5c5s - 6c7d 3d showing extras, 5c a strong raise of diamonds, 5s cue denying heart ace, 6c showing both pointed aces. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Adam's sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Can you show your entire auction ? I'm interested in your GSF version . We use the kickback version so a jump to 5♥ is GSF and gives us more space Edit: full sequence, a lot of bids show what they do by the fact you haven't bid other things, honour = AKQ in descriptions 1♠-2♥(3♥ would be SJS, so there are inferences about the quality of the heart suit later)2N(art GF)-3♥(heart suit playable in slam opposite stiff honour, no 4 card minor)3♠(small stiff heart or worse, spades playable in slam opposite stiff honour)-3N(no luck on the spade front)4♦(nat, 5 cards given partner has denied 4)-5♥(GSF in diamonds, with real hearts would have started with 3♥)7♦ To bid this shape in this way (there are several other ways) the hand must be absolutely enormous, given the denial of K♥, it must be very nearly as good as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 We use the kickback version so a jump to 5♥ is GSF and gives us more space Edit: full sequence, a lot of bids show what they do by the fact you haven't bid other things, honour = AKQ in descriptions 1♠-2♥(3♥ would be SJS, so there are inferences about the quality of the heart suit later)2N(art GF)-3♥(heart suit playable in slam opposite stiff honour, no 4 card minor)3♠(small stiff heart or worse, spades playable in slam opposite stiff honour)-3N(no luck on the spade front)4♦(nat, 5 cards given partner has denied 4)-5♥(GSF in diamonds, with real hearts would have started with 3♥)7♦ To bid this shape in this way (there are several other ways) the hand must be absolutely enormous, given the denial of K♥, it must be very nearly as good as this.Thanks ...But doesn't a GSF bid ask for 2 of the top 3 to bid 7 ?? ( implying that the "asker" has at least 1 of the top 3 ) .In other words, if South only had 2 of the top 3, they would be in an "unmakeable" slam . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Thanks ...But doesn't a GSF bid ask for 2 of the top 3 to bid 7 ?? ( implying that the "asker" has at least 1 of the top 3 ) .In other words, if South only had 2 of the top 3, they would be in an "unmakeable" slam . No, we play 6N, we have the virtue having the normal responses covered by 5♠->6♦ so 6♥->6N show flavours of 2, also this is merely confirmation, partner is pretty certain from the auction that the big hand holds all 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 I find it resulting that people rebid diamonds before spades over 3♥. I would rebid 3♠ without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 1s - 2h3d - 3h4d - 5c5s - 6c7d 3d showing extras, 5c a strong raise of diamonds, 5s cue denying heart ace, 6c showing both pointed aces.Except for the word, "pointed" instead of "rounded", this should be the easy solution. It is smooth with the correct hand (South) receiving the correct information as Captain. It works for any natural style...2/1, SA, whatever ---all the same, and requiring no gadgets other than the common-sense agreement that 5C is for diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 I am surprised noone has mentioned the possibility of opening a 2 loser hand with a strong opening yet, even for BBF. As usual hands like this are simpler with a strong club. For a 2/1 auction we could take Don's idea and substitute 5NT for 6♦ if we use a response scheme such as (0 = 6♦; 1 = 6♣; KQ = 6♥; AQ = 6♠; AK = 6NT; AKQ = 7♦; AKQ + ♣A = 7♣. Or perhaps North even has enough for 4NT over 3♠ - then South could show the extras and very strong diamonds through a 6♦ jump. So there are a few ways of getting back to diamonds even when South's third call is 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 2♣ easy now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 2♣-X-2♠-5♣... Yep, easy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 I find it resulting that people rebid diamonds before spades over 3♥. I would rebid 3♠ without a doubt. I dunno about "resulting" but I am sure that playing with my clone it would begin 1♠-2♥-3♦-3♥-3♠ just as you suggest. I think I can imagine a 4♦ bid after that. I guess it depends on what the partnership thinks that the auction so far means, but bidding diamonds before rebidding spades would appear to invite showing diamond support, even if it is a bit marginal After that you get somewhere good I should think.. At any rate, I would bid 3♠ over the 3♥ rebid. If that doesn't work out, too bad, but I do it next time also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monikrazy Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 A bit of a challenge for my system. After 2C openings 2D is 2 queens or better waiting, 2H negative response, 2S 5+H gf and 2N 5+S gf. If 3H were available as a strong 6+ H hand that might make things easier. 2C - 2S* (artificial 5+h and gf)3S - 4H5D - 6C* (ambigious cue)6S - 7D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 We started with 1♠-2♥, ending in 5 Hearts. Makes 7♦, 7NT, 6♠ or 6♥ Thank you[hv=pc=n&s=sakq763h6dakq85c5&n=shaq98543d763cakq]133|200[/hv] Probably shouldn't put misiry auction in this forum, but here goes... 3D 3H4S 5H6D 7DPass Explanation found in the Misiry PDF I posted in the forum already 3D = preempt in hearts or strong two suiter with diamonds and one black suit.3H = pass/correct... (I know partner is strong with diamonds from my hand,, and he is going to bid again)4S = Spade-Diamond two loser hand, one loser is in clubs (I could have Kx of clubs for that one loser or singleton)5H = Shows heart ACE since 4NT would show heart king, ask if heart ace is useful6D = heart ace covers one loser7D = your two losers are club ace and heart ace... got you covered... hope we don't sping a surprise loser somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 I am surprised noone has mentioned the possibility of opening a 2 loser hand with a strong opening yet, even for BBF. As usual hands like this are simpler with a strong club. For a 2/1 auction we could take Don's idea and substitute 5NT for 6♦ if we use a response scheme such as (0 = 6♦; 1 = 6♣; KQ = 6♥; AQ = 6♠; AK = 6NT; AKQ = 7♦; AKQ + ♣A = 7♣. Or perhaps North even has enough for 4NT over 3♠ - then South could show the extras and very strong diamonds through a 6♦ jump. So there are a few ways of getting back to diamonds even when South's third call is 3♠.Alice in Wonderland : probably it counts only Milton Work points (9+9=18) instead of distributional pointing (Goren + M.W.) and/or [better] Courtney losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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