Are you worth a move

[manudude03]

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This was from a practice match I had last night against our commonwealth team for next month, I wasn't too sure quite how to evaluate this one (for better or worse, 1C-4H would have been EKCB). Do you go on here?

[helene_t]

I think slam is good if partner has two keycards, and the five-level seems reasonably safe if he has only one.

[eagles123]

I would let it go we've already shown a good hand and p leaped to game . Surely he could've taken some other action with slam interest

[ArtK78]

On the one hand, slam is likely to be cold opposite:

 

xx

KJTxxxx

xx

Ax

 

(would partner bid 4♥ on these cards over the reverse?)

 

On the other hand, 4 is the limit if partner has this unlikely collection:

 

Kxx

JTxxxxxx

x

x

 

Somewhere in between would be a hand like:

 

xxx

KTxxxxx

xx

A

 

In all likelihood, Helene is probably right. Opposite 2 key cards slam should have a lot of play, and otherwise the 5 level is likely to be safe.

[P_Marlowe]

5H

 

To answer the general question: yes, for sure are you worth a move.

 

The next question is harder to answer, what should be the move, are you

strong enough to force to slam, on the way checking, if enough KC are on

board?

 

In the end know your partner. I would say, no, so I am just inviting via 5H,

if partner has less than 2 KC, he will decline, otherwise he will accept

if the slam has reasonable chances, Arts 3rd example ... he will decline due

to only having a 6th heart, and not holding the Jack.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[kenrexford]

On the one hand, slam is likely to be cold opposite:

 

xx

KJTxxxx

xx

Ax

 

(would partner bid 4♥ on these cards over the reverse?)

 

On the other hand, 4 is the limit if partner has this unlikely collection:

 

Kxx

JTxxxxxx

x

x

 

Somewhere in between would be a hand like:

 

xxx

KTxxxxx

xx

A

 

In all likelihood, Helene is probably right. Opposite 2 key cards slam should have a lot of play, and otherwise the 5 level is likely to be safe.

If your partner jumps to 4♥ with three controls, in a suit that cannot play opposite a void despite a void being possible, then your partner is an idiot beyond redemption.

 

The "unlikely" collection you describe is the only "likely" hand of the three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[whereagles]

Depends on pard. If he's the sort of person who would bid 4H on AK 7th, bid on. Else pass.

 

The strongest hand I would bid 4H on is something like

 

xx

AJTxxxx

xxx

x

[gszes]

5H

 

To answer the general question: yes, for sure are you worth a move.

 

The next question is harder to answer, what should be the move, are you

strong enough to force to slam, on the way checking, if enough KC are on

board?

 

In the end know your partner. I would say, no, so I am just inviting via 5H,

if partner has less than 2 KC, he will decline, otherwise he will accept

if the slam has reasonable chances, Arts 3rd example ... he will decline due

to only having a 6th heart, and not holding the Jack.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

5h here will probably be understood as bid 6 with a spade control:)

[gszes]

given the bidding the 5 level feels safe so trying for slam here via

 

4n

 

looks like the way to go.

[Cyberyeti]

Depends on pard. If he's the sort of person who would bid 4H on AK 7th, bid on. Else pass.

 

The strongest hand I would bid 4H on is something like

 

xx

AJTxxxx

xxx

x

 

I think partner should have a good and long heart suit and not that much else, he is prepared to play 4♥ opposite xxx, x, AKxx, AKQJx, so he won't have some of the anaemic collections posted above which are 2♥ and 3♥ bids.

 

I'd expect the sort of hand that knows it's playing in hearts (so has 8 or 7 good ones), and knows it's playing in game rather than a partscore so has some guts to it, something like Kx, KJ10xxxxx, xx, x or AK 7th or 8th and out. Keycard should be safe, and I'll bid 6 opposite 2.

[the_dude]

If my partner is capable of bidding 4H with:

 

xx

KJTxxxx

xx

Ax

 

1. Yes, I make a move

2. After the game we have a long talk about what we think a 4H bid should look like on this auction

 

Otherwise, I'm passing. Then again we don't reverse light, if we did then I might rethink...

[Fluffy]

Partner made a double jump, I am not remotely close to have enough extras to come on. If we make slam I bet partner had a 3♥ bid.

[MrAce]

Easy pass for me.

[chasetb]

PASS!

 

I bet partner has ♠xx ♥KJTxxxxx ♦x ♣Qx, everything sat offsides and South gets a Club ruff (Clubs are 5-1) for 5♥-1

[akwoo]

Pass. With 2 keycards, partner would have bid 3♥ (which in any system I know is forcing to game), not 4♥.

[helene_t]

Hmnn thinking more about it pass is probably best. If partner has two kcs he really should have nothing else. With akxxxxx of hearts we need hearts to split and we need to guess the clubs right. We could also be down on the lead of a stiff club

[MrAce]

Pass. With 2 keycards, partner would have bid 3♥ (which in any system I know is forcing to game), not 4♥.

 

+1

I can only up vote like this on iPhone.

[mike777]

easy pass.

 

pard has something close to:

 

xx..Axxxxxxx..xx..x

[Winstonm]

I don't think automatic pass is right - it depends entirely on the meaning of 3H/4H.

 

With an Axxxxxx type hand, I can bid 2H, 3H, 4H and get the message across that my hand is not worth much outside of playing hearts. With a better hand and suit, xx, AKxxxx, xxx, Qx, I can bid 3H.

 

But what if all I have is a very strong heart suit: xx, AKJ10xxx, xx, xx?

 

In my opinion, this last hand should be the "picture bid" of 4H, in which case it would not be unreasonable to bid 6H.

[akwoo]

I don't think automatic pass is right - it depends entirely on the meaning of 3H/4H.

 

With an Axxxxxx type hand, I can bid 2H, 3H, 4H and get the message across that my hand is not worth much outside of playing hearts. With a better hand and suit, xx, AKxxxx, xxx, Qx, I can bid 3H.

 

But what if all I have is a very strong heart suit: xx, AKJ10xxx, xx, xx?

 

In my opinion, this last hand should be the "picture bid" of 4H, in which case it would not be unreasonable to bid 6H.

 

Actually I agree with this, but I assumed that if 4H was agreed as a picture bid, then OP would have mentioned this. The default without further discussion seems to be fast arrival, not picture bids.

[Winstonm]

Actually I agree with this, but I assumed that if 4H was agreed as a picture bid, then OP would have mentioned this. The default without further discussion seems to be fast arrival, not picture bids.

Personally, I think fast arrival in this sequence should only be support for opener. I wouldn't want to bid 4H on xx, Axxxxxx, xx, xx and play opposite a heart void.

 

To my thinking, fast arrival as a principle is fine in supportive auctions, but not so good as a blanket policy that covers all jumps to game.

[the hog]

Easy 5H bid asking pd to bid 6 with good trumps. Those who think pd has J to 7 hearts are joking. We may well have a H void.

[manudude03]

Thanks for the reply. 4H was undiscussed (therefore "standard") hence I didn't mention what it was in OP. I bid 4NT and bid 6 when partner showed 2 KC. I can't find the hand records, but partner had xx AKxxxxx xx Tx. The spade finesse was right, trumps were 3-2, but unfortunately partner got the club guess wrong (the 1S overcaller having the queen and not the ace). The other table also landed in 6 hearts, but got the clubs right so we lost 17 imps on it.

[mike777]

slam is less than what? less than 50%?

 

Is there an uppercut here on any defense?

 

fwiw it seems pard has a 2h rebid not 4h?

[MrAce]

slam is less than what? less than 50%?

 

Is there an uppercut here on any defense?

 

fwiw it seems pard has a 2h rebid not 4h?

 

What do you mean? It's of course less than %50, not even close. Just the club suit alone is %50 and you may not even have a guess at all. Then you have spade finesse off chances which is probably at least %15 due to overcall. Not done yet, you need 3-2 trumps.