Chamaco Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=e&n=sk762hj98d3ckt642&s=saq3h6daqjt7cqj93]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - Pass Pass 1♣! Pass 1♦! Pass 2♦! 2♥ Dbl! Pass 3♣ 3♥ 3♠ Pass 4♠ Pass 5♣ Pass Pass Pass ----------------------1C = Strong Club, 16+ any shape1D = 0-7 hcp2D = natural 5+ diamond, minimum reverse (16-18)West's pass then bid show a strong hand (either hcp or distribution), which might envision game even vs a strong club.Nort's dbl is negative (a max for his 0-7 range, spades and clubs)---------------------- Hi' I would like to know the best line of play. I'll write below in hidden characters the line I chose, I would GREATLY appreciat any suggestions ! :D Opening lead: A followed by K of ♥ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I led the Club Q, taken by Wests's Ace and ruffed the ♥Q return. Now I need all tricks.Diamond queen may be in East's hand (west has shown 13 hcp), in which case the finesse after drawing trumps is right. However, I did not want to put all eggs in one basket and I decided to play for dropping the diamond K, which makes also if spades break 3-3 or if there is a squeeze (4S and DK in one hand, I expected East). The alternative line would be to draw trumps, test spades, if they do not break, run all the trumps and fall back on the diamond finesse; the run of trumps may also squeeze the holder of DK and 4th spade. I opted for trying to drop DK, so :- A of D and D ruff, - spades to the Ace and D ruff: West discarded a Heart- Now, with no hopes of promoting a long diamond (by any other means but a squeeze), I fell back on plan B (try spades 3-3 or squeze): I played K and T of trumps (west discarding 2 Hearts) and tried spades, but no luck: West had the 4th spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nice contract to get to, Mauro and very peculiar bidding by West. By not overcalling an immediate 2/3H W allowed you to get to an excellent spot. I am going to play a fairly simple line and try to drop the DK or rely on a 3-3 S break or a squeeze. So, C up, ruff a H, A of D ruff a D, S ruff a D etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Nice contract to get to, Mauro and very peculiar bidding by West. By not overcalling an immediate 2/3H W allowed you to get to an excellent spot. I am going to play a fairly simple line and try to drop the DK or rely on a 3-3 S break or a squeeze. So, C up, ruff a H, A of D ruff a D, S ruff a D etc. Ty a lot Ron :) How do you decide whether to ruff in dummy a couple of diamonds to see whether Kx or Kxx falls or simply run the trumps BEFORE ruffing diamonds ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Interesting question. Obviously trumps can't be 4-0 because I can't cope with that. Play DA and ruff 1 and then a trump - easier for me if they take first club. Many possibilities here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Let me try to explain further my reasoning. line a = ruffing diams firstline b = testing spades, running clubs and fall back on the finesse case 1= RHO has 4+ spades - line a wins on most layouts where DK is offside (it will drop Kx or Kxx) and wins ALSO with DK onside (squeeze) - line b wins if DK is onside and loses with DK offside case 2= RHO has 3 spades irrelevant = all lines win case 3= LHO has 4+ spades - line a wins on most layouts where DK is offside and loses if DK onside - line b wins DK is onside and loses if DK offside So it seems to me it boils down to deciding which is more likely: RHO having 4+ spades (independently of DK) OR RHO having the DK (indepenently of 4+ spades). Do you think this is one case of "table feel" (which I do not have) ? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I would try to get a count on the hand. So I will not commit to one line or the other yet. So club play looks right at trick two, but I will lead the club NINE, playing the TEN if WEST plays low. If the TeN wins, I ruff a heart holds, I will cross to the spade KING, ruff a heart and continue a club. If WEST jumps up with the club ACE on the jack and leads a heart, I will ruff (did EAST show out on hearts?), and make the odd looking play of three rounds of spades, playing WEST for singleton club ace. If spades are 3-3 I am home and if EAST has four spades and three clubs, I can ruff the fourth spade, cash diamond ace, ruff a diamond, pull trumps and claim (yes now west can beat me with 2-6-3-2 by winning the ace on first round). But let's assume they the club ten wins. Now I ruff a heart and exit a club... .who had three clubs or are they two-two. If clubs are 2-2, and if WEST had 6 only hearts. I will cash three rounds of spades, and if not 3-3, hook east in diamond. If WEST had three clubs, I have potnetial show up squeeze to drop singleton diamond king in his hand if he was 2-7-1-3 with stiff king so heart count is important. In the unlikely event EAST had three clubs, I will take a ruffing finesee in diamonds through WEST. So there you have it.. WEST pops club ace, try 3 rounds of spades immediately.West three clubs, try for 3-3 spades, if not, hook EAST (unless WEST has 7 hearts and 2 spades, then show up squeeze)If EAST had three clubs and ducked or won first round, finessee WEST for diamond queen. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GijsH Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 After this bidding East is marked with 5 or 6 ♦, so I try a full cross-ruff:ruffing all ♦ in dummy, and going back with top ♠ and ♥ ruffs.I think I can make if West is exactly:JxxxAKQxxxxAxand decides to ruff with the ace in front of dummy and play a trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 After this bidding East is marked with 5 or 6 ♦, so I try a full cross-ruff:ruffing all ♦ in dummy, and going back with top ♠ and ♥ ruffs.I think I can make if West is exactly:JxxxAKQxxxxAxand decides to ruff with the ace in front of dummy and play a trump. Thanks a lot for your contribution! :) A few more questions I am not able to answer about the line you suggest: Question 1: There are 6 outstanding spades and 7 outstanding diamonds.If East has 4+ spades, most line based on a squeeze shall work.According to which reasoning should I assume is East marked with 5+ diamonds and not 4+ spades ? (remember, if east has 4 spades, most squeezes will work) Questiion 2: it seems to me that the x-ruff requires a 3-3 spades break, in which case any other line will work, and that if I embark in a direct cross ruff, one spade winner will be ruffed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GijsH Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 OK, here we go: 1: H ace2: H king ruffed3: D ace4: small D, ruffed5: S to ace6: D, let's say W ruffs with A, discard S in dummy7: W returns C (best), taken in hand8: D ruffed9: S to the Q10: last D ruffed wit C 1011: pull last trump with C king12: cash S king13: ruff H in hand with C queen this is called a dummy-reversal . if West throws a S instead of ruffing, the 4th S becomes a trick.if D turn out to be 3-4 it becomes easier as 5th D becomes a trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 OK, here we go: 1: H ace2: H king ruffed3: D ace4: small D, ruffed5: S to ace6: D, let's say W ruffs with A, discard S in dummy Say that, instead,case a. west discards a spade.case b. west discards a heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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