Enough to raise a preempt?

[Bbradley62]

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[aguahombre]

Depends on whether the 3S bid is a 3S bid. Raise to 4S is automatic for us; but, we expect our preempts to be advanced with 4-card support.

[gordontd]

Depends on whether the 3S bid is a 3S bid.

As opposed to ... what?

[helene_t]

Failure to raise would have been a serious error imho. Even 5♠X is likely to be better than PAR. Opps almost certainly have a minor suit slam.

[aguahombre]

Depends on whether the 3S bid is a 3S bid. Raise to 4S is automatic for us; but, we expect our preempts to be advanced with 4-card support.

 

As opposed to ... what?

As opposed to the hand which prompted this thread. I am guessing, of course. But the OP question probably wouldn't have been asked unless the end result were bad...either the 3S bid having serious defects or the person who bid 3S taking a further call after being raised.

[1eyedjack]

As opposed to the hand which prompted this thread. I am guessing, of course. But the OP question probably wouldn't have been asked unless the end result were bad...either the 3S bid having serious defects or the person who bid 3S taking a further call after being raised.

 

 

You may be right but I don't think that that is BBradley's way. He will post good result hands as well as bad, if GIB has done something stupid. As I think do most of the regular posters in this subforum.

[aguahombre]

You may be right but I don't think that that is BBradley's way. He will post good result hands as well as bad, if GIB has done something stupid. As I think do most of the regular posters in this subforum.

Of course. I also wouldn't put it past him to slip his own name in there as South to avoid embarrassing someone else. That is why I didn't refer to him..rather to the person who preempted.

[Bbradley62]

Of course. I also wouldn't put it past him to slip his own name in there as South to avoid embarrassing someone else. That is why I didn't refer to him..rather to the person who preempted.

I liked that... although my habit is to replace South's name with "Human" or sometimes "Silly Human". :)

[aguahombre]

Failure to raise would have been a serious error imho. Even 5♠X is likely to be better than PAR. Opps almost certainly have a minor suit slam.

Having been accused in the past of deciding incorrectly what other posters are thinking, I will do it again. I don't believe Helene was actually recommending a leap to 5S with this hand...merely pointing out the math.

 

Here, a 5S bid would pretty much tell the opponents to bid slam instead of giving them room to stop short. I would only bid a direct 5S as a tactic with some reason to believe 6x by them would not work well.