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Didn't someone once say that even thinking about bidding is an overbid? I agree with that someone.

 

Decisions like this are one reason many of us strain to open when ever we can so that we aren't likely missing anything our way by passing.

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thanks all I did pass but thought it was quite close. I guess p not balancing with like a 1444 11 count or something didn't help lol

 

With a 1444 I would balance with a lot less than 11, but we tend to trap a fair bit, his fault not yours, you don't have a bid.

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