Was this right to bid or pass....

[mojila]

Hi,

I find forum for me learning from different perspective. I am Intermediate level. Following hand I picked up

in Match-point tourney with pick up partner. Had no agreement. MY RHO opened 1!D

 

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RHO opened 1Diamond I bid 2Notrum... Should i have bid ? Pass and wait for my partner over call. My partner's Profile

said Expert. My LHO passes. My partner had following hand. He bids 6Spades.

 

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Thanks in advance for suggestions and Opinions.

 

Mojila

 

Edit: had made mistake in posting wrote Club instead RHO openign bid 1Diamond.

Edited July 22, 2014 by mojila

[chasetb]

1.) You should NOT have bid. Most people play that (1♣) - 2NT shows ♥ + ♦; a small minority still play it as ♣ + ♦. You had neither of these hands, and so should Pass.

 

2.) Partner is 100% to blame for 6♠. If you are showing ♥ + ♦, you could still be off A♥ and A♦, so no jumping to any slam. With a pick-up partner, I cannot tell you what to bid, but as North I would have bid 3♠ (forcing) followed by 4♥.

[billw55]

2NT is definitely bad. Different meanings for this are used by different players, but none of them fit this hand.

 

Most often, when you have length in the suit that is opened on your right, it is best to pass.

 

Here I think pass is definitely best.

 

Your partner's choice of 6♠ was likely based on his idea of what your 2NT bid meant. Perhaps he thought you were showing a strong balanced hand. (Although, if your partner was expert, he should not think this.) Anyway, this is what can happen when you don't have good understandings with your partner.

 

[edit: OP has corrected the opening bid by RHO from 1♣ to 1♦. In this case, 2NT is ok, showing two lowest unbid suits. 6♠ is still very bad.]

[mojila]

Thanks for replies. appreciate very much.

Also sorry after posting I realized made mistake in posting.

Oepning Bid by RHO was 1Diamond not 1Club.

 

mojila

[whereagles]

overcall seems ok to me. pard's 6♠ was over the roof.

[steve2005]

some people define unusual (and Michaels) type hands the 3 most common ranges are 5+, 8+ and 5-11 or 15+.

 

also some people don't like to have a wide difference in length between the two suits.

 

need to decide which camp your in

[mojila]

Steve,Bill

 

I agree with your statements. I recently came across articles regarding Ghestem and Questem(inverted Ghestem).

AS two suited hands some time difficult to describe. Also when distribution is unballanced then tricks taking

capability is more important than Point counts. Michael as well as UnNorum both are in preemptive in nature

and conventional bid. Though one can use with Loaded points. Ghestem and Questem removes the ambiguity of one suite unknown. Describes exactly which two suites holding. It is always problem with pick up partners. Bridge is Partnership game.

e.g. 1♦ 2♦ .. ♠and ♥ two highest.

1♦ 2NT ....... ♣ and ♥ two Lowest

1♦ 3♣ .. ♠ and ♣ Highest and Lowest

knowing both suites partner can know 8 cards fit. if has 3 cards in known suite.

[SteveMoe]

This is a highly distributional hand. If you play 2N as Unusual for the 2 lowest unbid suits then 1♦ - 2N is definitely appropriate. This hand is a 5.5 to 6-loser. Partner now knows you have 10+ cards in the round suits (♥ & ♣. With partner's actual hand, 4♥ is a good target. Partner should start with a 3[d] cue bid and you can rebid 4♣ to suggest longer ♣ than ♥. Partner will correct to 4♥ though exploring slam and stopping in 5 ♥ is also possible. Many would play 4N by partner as 6-Key Card Blackwood.

 

Trick-taking potential and not HCP is more important here. Even playing (a conservative) 8+ HCP agreement and 5=5 or better in both suits, I would bid 2N, justifying my decision with the 5=7 patterns and working HCP. Were your honors in the pointed suits I would pass! (Too many losers/in the pointed suits they are not working to create length tricks).

 

Partner has no business bidding ♠ in this auction except as a control bid.

 

Be sure to talk with partner how to advance 2-suited bids with strong hands.

[the hog]

If over 1D 2NT shows the bottom two, then this is ok if not vulnerable.

Your partner's 6S bid was a beginner's bid.

[Free]

My partner's Profile said Expert.

Some countries only have "Experts", and these guys usually consider everything natural. I guess this expert had a red flag with some symbol on it...

 

2NT playing unusual is ok, and imo it's ok to expect partner to understand it. 6♠ is nuts.

[whereagles]

as someone said, "those kind of experts you buy at the local bazaar at 0.10 cents a kilo"

[neilkaz]

overcall seems ok to me. pard's 6♠ was over the roof.

One wonders how he managed to restrain himself and didn't bid 7♠?

[Lorne50]

Your partner is an idiot. Your bid shows the lowest two unbid suits and that is what you have, and your bid is fine. In some countries some people play 2N as always both minors but I do not believe that is the meaning anybody should use unless it is explicitly agreed.

[rmnka447]

I probably wouldn't have bid with your hand, but if you're going to bid -- 2 NT showing the lower 2 suits seems right.

 

Since you are showing the lower 2 suits(i.e. ♣ and ♥), partner should have bid 4 ♥. Partner has a big fit in ♥ and working cards in ♣, so the hand takes a lot of tricks in ♥s.

 

6 ♠ is completely out of the realm of reality.

[Bbradley62]

Maybe partner didn't see opponent's opening bid.

[johnu]

45.4% of those players who self rate as experts actually play at a beginner level. Depending on what country they claim to be from, up to 95.2% of self rated world class players are intermediate players or worse.

 

On the internet, anybody can claim to be an expert or world class player. When one of these players makes a ridiculous bid like 6♠ or play that you are sure is ridiculous but have doubts only because of the player's rating, believe the bid or play until proven otherwise.