diana_eva Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Another hand from my friend, and this time we were in disagreement. Random game, Main Club, unknown pd, "exp only" table. IMPs, not vul vs vul: [hv=pc=n&s=sqjxxxxxhqxxdcxxx&d=n&v=e&a=2dp?]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Without any special agreements*, I would pass. We haven't been doubled yet, and since RHO passed, it is far from clear that they will bid a game. Bidding 4♠ is better at matchpoints. At IMPs, if you are right to bid 4♠, you may only gain -500 against -620 (unless you are spectacularly right - partner has a spade/diamond two suiter and they let you play the hand). But if you are wrong, you could lose a game swing or worse. If I had to guess, I would guess that bidding any large number of spades will be very wrong on these cards. I doubt that I would do it at matchpoints. * I play very light preempts with one partner. On this auction holding these cards, I would bid 2♠ TO PLAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 You have to pass for the moment, as any bid except a raise is forcing and constructive. If doubled you can pull later to 2♠. Note that pass is safe because opps are probably cold for a game (maybe even slam). The alternative is an immediate leap to 4♠, but that can backfire lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Most people I know play 2M as NF (notionally constructive) opposite a weak two, and partner is only supposed to bid on with a fit. With that in mind, nothing bad should happen if we bid 2♠. However, the "Dutch approach" of just blasting 4♠ a seemingly absurd tends to work very well on similar hands I have seen. It sounds crazy, but think of the problems it will give them if they play a takeout double style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Most people I know play 2M as NF (notionally constructive) opposite a weak two, and partner is only supposed to bid on with a fit. Most people I know play 2♠ as forcing here. I have played it as non forcing but highly constructive, where partner is supposed to pass only with a minimum and exactly 2 card support (or maybe a sub minimum and 3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I agree that most I know play it as forcing. I also would pass for now. You can bid S later as Nuno suggests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I'm passing whether 2 ♠ is forcing or not. With LHO passing, you'll get a chance to pull 2 ♦x to 2 ♠ if that gets passed back to you. If the opponents bid on over 2 ♦, you're off the hook. Certainly, if 2 ♠ is forcing, you can't bid because your hand isn't good enough for a bid. Then why pass if 2 ♠ is not forcing? I think a 2 ♠ bid may prompt partner to lead ♠ if LHO declares. That doesn't look like a particularly good thing holding QJxxxxx. There is a strong preference for having partner lead his suit if at all practicable, so remaining silent may be best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I play 2♠ as forcing. The only reason to bid 2♠ here is as a psych pretending to be much stronger than you are. I voted to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Thanks for the replies. My vote on this hand was pass, and I was firm about it even when my grumpy friend tried to insist that opps must have a mountain. At the table, bidding went: [hv=pc=n&s=sqjxxxxxhqxxdcxxx&d=n&v=e&a=2dp2sx3dxppp]133|200[/hv] -800, with North holding void - xxx - KQTxxxx - Axx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Nice 2♦ opening. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Nice 2♦ opening. :blink: Yeah... Dunno why he keeps playing randomly, he must be masochistic. I've been trying to convince him to post here himself, he's a fun one :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 I once played a guy who had a tendency to open overweight preempts. He decided that the "right" bid on QKQKQT9xxxxxx was a WEAK 2♦. "To have something in reserve", he later said. Needless to say, I had a monster and we ended up missing the simplest of grand slams. I considered the possibility of him opening on 7 cards, but it didn't cross my mind he could have EIGHT of them :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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