2/1 - 2H or 1NT

[SimonFa]

MPs, R v W, 2/1 with 100% forcing 1NT. Partner is Jack.

 

♠AQ8 ♥KT842 ♦J643 ♣A

 

(p) 1S (p) ?

 

I tried 2H but when I ran Jack it suggested 1NT on the basis that the Hearts weren't good enough.

 

I suspect that there is no right answer but as 1NT is 100% forcing there is no danger of being passed out, but it doesn't get across the strength of the hand and I would worry about trying to play catch up if a slam is on.

 

I was wondering what the more experienced would have done in this position?

 

As always, thanks in advance.

 

Simon

[the hog]

Absolutely clear cut 2H response. You want pd to give decent evaluation to hx in H, don't you?

[Antrax]

You can show a game-forcing hand with 3 card support at the 3-level or the 4-level. Offhand, which would you think is better?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

unless I miscounted, you have 14HCP,maybe downgrade whatever you want, but

will you ever convince partner that you have 5 hearts and an opening bid,

when you start with 1NT?

 

Simple answer is No.

 

Of course if you do samples, that it may become clear, that for this specific

hand downgrading works, this is to complicate for me.

 

If you happen to play 2C as GF, bal. or 3 card spade support, than selling the

hand as bal. is certainly a sensible approach.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

Fit makes the hand a GF. I think I can afford to act accordingly.

[gszes]

let's just say the program was a tad short-sighted vis-à-vis the bidding

after the 1n choice. There are very few ways to really come close to describing

this hand after using 1n vs 2h. Most of the bidding will be jumps to 4s playing

catch up and the minimum hand for that is something like 13 count 3334. This

hand has an extra source of tricks with a 5 card heart suit and the singleton

club can also be an extremely valuable asset for slam purposes.

 

I normally have zero problems using jacoby 2n with 3 card support and I would

bid 2h with this hand playing 2/1. In an ideal world having the AQ of spades

and the AQJ of hearts for a 2h bid sounds pleasant enough but utility is also

a factor. We will see very few hands with such a miraculous concentration of values

so it might be best overall to tailor our bidding to the much greater majority

of hands where game and possibly slam are available.

 

Opener would have a tendency to view the QJ doubleton of hearts with a jaundiced

eye for slam purposes unless (the hog) we start the proceedings with 2h and the

QJ suddenly have opener jumping for joy.

[gwnn]

Fit makes the hand a GF. I think I can afford to act accordingly.

Would you really bid 1NT with

A

KT9xx

Jxxx

AQx?

[whereagles]

excuse me?

[SimonFa]

Thanks for your thoughts, they've been quite reassuring. I've checked Professor Jack's settings and can't find anything untoward so I'll take this as a quirk of playing with a CPU and not being able to have discussions.

[gwnn]

excuse me?

If the fit makes it a GF, it means that without a fit but the same honours it is not a GF. If it is a GF with or without a fit, why mention the fit?

[whereagles]

I swear I saw 11 H the first time.. lol.

 

Anyway, GF in both cases of course.

[rmnka447]

An easy 2 ♥ bid. Yeah, you'd like to see better hearts, but you have a GF hand.

 

Consider if partner holds something like ♠ KJxxx ♥ AQx ♦ Ax ♣ xxx. You have about a laydown 6 ♠ with 14 opposite 14. So showing your suit may be important whenever a 2 suited fit is present. After 1 ♠ - 2 ♥ - 3 ♥ - 3 ♠, slam starts to come into view with room to show controls.

[neilkaz]

Me thinketh that Prof Jack has been smoking the crack!

 

Of course you GF right away with a 5 card ♥ suit and 14 HCP.

[aikya]

I DO PLAY 2 N.T jACOBY WITH 3 CARDS SUPPORT,

HERE AT LEAST GIVE THE true pts OPENING HAND AND SUPPORT PARTNER MUST UNDERSTAND SITUATION.

I AM NOT FOR THE I NT * forcing here.

Because does not guaranteed absolute fit..and BIG LIE ON THE PTS HAND.MAXIMUM 11 PTS ...

Aikya

Armand

Email me

[somajigoma]

14 HCP with support or without support the only one bid is 2Heart.Whoever thinks of any other bid is clearly a novice.

[whereagles]

On the contrary: newbies follow recipes closely. The ones that study at least, lol.

[Trump Echo]

2♥

[msjennifer]

TWO HEART and nothing else.

[iandayre]

2H Clear Cut. Some other points - Stick with 4+ card support for J2NT, you won't regret it. As to what to rebid next time, 3S any time it is possible. Jump to 4S should show no 1st or second round control in suits you have not bid, e.g. AJx, AKxxx, xx, Qxx

[steve2005]

It's a computer, most computers aren't very good a bidding.

[bdegrande]

2H. Easy game force, and slam might be in the picture depending on partner's hand. Even with a misfit, this would be a game force.

[whereagles]

It's a computer, most computers aren't very good a bidding.

Maybe they should hire me to solve this? :rolleyes:

[MrAce]

Maybe they should hire me to solve this? :rolleyes:

 

Please no, they are bad enough the way they are already.

[whereagles]

yup, there was definitely a point to it

[johnu]

I tried 2H but when I ran Jack it suggested 1NT on the basis that the Hearts weren't good enough.

 

Based on results from the world computer bridge championships, I was under the impression that Jack was a far superior program than GIB. This is such a basic auction that I'm surprised that the Jack programmers haven't made a fix by now.