lycier Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=机器人&s=SK752HT4D986CKQ94&wn=机器人&w=SHJ863DAKQT73C532&nn=机器人&n=SAQJ983H752D42CJ7&en=lycier&e=ST64HAKQ9DJ5CAT86&d=w&v=b&b=&a=1D(Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)2S(Aggressive%20weak%20jump%20overcall%20--%206+%20%21S%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%203+%20total%20points)D(Negative%20double%20--%204+%20%21H%3B%209+%20total%20point)3S(2+%20%21S)PPD(2-%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21H%3B%2010+%20HCP%3B%20biddable%20%21S)PPP&p=HAH4H3H7HKHTH8H5DJD8DQD4DKD2D5D9D3SJH9D6S9S4SKC2S7C5SAS6SQSTS2C3C7C6C9HJC4H6CJCAHQS5DAH2CKDTS8C8S3CTCQD7]499|350[/hv] my first double promise 4-card ♥,but I have to make second double after 3♠,why Gib partner don't help me - bid 4-card ♥ in its own hand with minimun and void in ♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 It's an interesting call. Your second double is basically penalty. I guess GIB thought its hand is more suitable for defense than offense. I'm not a good enough player to know, it looks like it could go either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 After 3♠,I can't do anything even with 14hcp unless double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 You could bid 4♣ and lose 3NT. Not saying GIB's system is perfect. However, double seems okay - it shows roughly what you have (defensive hand, fairly balanced, some trump length), and I'm not sure GIB W was wrong to pass the double is my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 The double shows "biddable spades" which is presumably a longer and better spade suit than you have. So it is not so surprising that W passes it. So basically you are in the same situation as if you were playing with a dinosaur who defined almost all doubles as penalty. I think your second double is ok, though. It's not clear which game you can make, and 3♠ probably goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 with just a cursory glance 6♥ is cold. [edit] looking at it later 7♥ is pretty easy on obvious ♠ lead [/edit] Gib should know/simulate its way to seeing that partner with 4♥ is gonna score more in 4♥ than 3♠X. All those ♦ will often be worthless on defense and partner's ♥ are likely not going to be worth much more. Hands are very flat and its still better to bid on as it usually is when you have an undisclosed fit. In fact, if I was lycier's partner he wouldn't have had to make what in Gib's definition is a penalty double cause I would already have bid 4♥! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 I am certainly on Lycier's side here. That the description of the second double would include "biddable spades" is ridiculous nonsense. Double is the only sensible action, and pass by W should not be a consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 with just a cursory glance 6♥ is cold. [edit] looking at it later 7♥ is pretty easy on obvious ♠ lead [/edit] Gib should know/simulate its way to seeing that partner with 4♥ is gonna score more in 4♥ than 3♠X. All those ♦ will often be worthless on defense and partner's ♥ are likely not going to be worth much more. Hands are very flat and its still better to bid on as it usually is when you have an undisclosed fit. In fact, if I was lycier's partner he wouldn't have had to make what in Gib's definition is a penalty double cause I would already have bid 4♥!7♥ makes with any lead- just need to ruff 2 spades in dummy- J♦ is a godsend to save from a 4-1 hearts break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 iandayre, so what should double here be? Try to answer in GIB's terms, so "DSIP" doesn't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Double "should", IMO, be:2-3 spades without a spade stopper (maybe we should allow a singleton? Four small spades is possible but very unlikely)4 hearts2-3 diamonds (maybe we should allow 4?)3-4 (5?) clubs11+ HCPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I concur. And opposite that, holding GIB W's hand, do you bid 4♦ or pass at all vul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 4♥. But I would have bid that in the previous round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I have been a fan of Helene ever since she quoted one of my comments in her footer for a while, and nothing has changed. Her description of the second double is quite reasonable, and no call other than 4H by West would occur to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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