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4 should not be exclusion here. The auction is too crammed. You need 4 as a slam try without a heart control. Or maybe even with a heart control if 4 might be natural.

 

5 should be unequivocally a void though. If you play exclusion it should be that.

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If I'm 100% sure pard would take 4 (or 5 lol) as voidwood, I'd bid that.

 

If only 99% sure, I'd just bid 6.

But surely 5, whether voidwood or only showing a void and suggesting a grand, must be better than 6.

7, however, will not be such a great contract if partner has three small clubs.

There is something to be said to start with your second suit and bid 5.

If partner bids 5 bid 5

If partner bids 6 or 6 you can bid 7.

If partner bids 5 bid 6

 

Rainer Herrmann

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Bidding 6 diamonds opposite an opener with 4+ diamonds looks pretty hopeless to me. If for some reason we can't expect partner to do something intelligent over 5, weshould bid 7. Perhaps 4NT in case we can stop if partner somehow doesn't hold any ace.

 

Jumping to 6 before even checking if partner has the 2 aces is ludicrous. But bidding only 6 after he has 1 is not much better.

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Anyone who think 4 is exclusion is basically confused and, for their own safety, should be barred from playing conventions invented after 1970.

 

My guess is that grand will be cold at least 90% of the time, so if I have no real way of investigating (eg 5), I will just punt it via RKCB.

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Anyone who think 4 is exclusion is basically confused and, for their own safety, should be barred from playing conventions invented after 1970.

 

My guess is that grand will be cold at least 90% of the time, so if I have no real way of investigating (eg 5), I will just punt it via RKCB.

 

Provided you know the level of understanding of your partner, if 5 isn't exclusion then 5N is GSF, I use whichever I think partner will understand.

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Betting on the opps bidding is not necessarily a recipe for success

but when they opps fail to do some major preempting with a 9/10 card

suit at favorable the bet is probably a pretty good one. It is easy enough

to imagine the opps hands as something like 6313 3433 since they did

nothing radical and, once we realize this, bidding rkc is a huge standout

since p having the dia ace will pretty much assure us of making 7 with

or w/o the club Q (if p shows one ace).

 

If p has 1 ace the opps have a 9-4 or 10-3 chance of having the spade

A so that means p is a 9/4 or 10/3 chance of having the dia ace. Not quite

up to 80% standards normally needed for a grand but the free 4d bid should

add enough extra % to offset that deficiency.

 

Just bidding 6d is plain wrong since 7d should be a walk in the park if

p manages to show 2 aces. This is a game of % and this is a situation where

the odds are hugely stacked in favor of p having the dia ace (if they have

only 1) so go for it. Having some extra weapons for more advanced control

discovery would be nice but we use what we have learned as best we can.

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7, however, will not be such a great contract if partner has three small clubs.

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

I would give 1000 to 1 odds that partner doesn't have 3 small clubs.

 

The opps, at favourable, bid only to 3 so, unless they are playing a very deep game, they don't have rate to have 10+ cards in spades. Partner holds 5+ hearts, probably 3 spades, and enough diamonds to freely raise. He can't have 3 clubs unless the opps have committed an unusual combination of passive pre-empting at white v red.

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5nt is easy if playing graded gsf. 6 would show the queen or less and 6, 1 of the top 2.

 

I started playing that way a couple of decades ago and am surprised it hasn't caught on as well as other things.

 

Without that I'll blast 7 but won't redouble.

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5nt is easy if playing graded gsf. 6 would show the queen or less and 6, 1 of the top 2.

 

I started playing that way a couple of decades ago and am surprised it hasn't caught on as well as other things.

I always assumed graded gsf responses --variable depending on the number of steps available ---were part of it.

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I always assumed graded gsf responses --variable depending on the number of steps available ---were part of it.

The problem is that there are multiple ways of playing the gradation so you have to have agreed that in advance, which may or may not be the case for the OP.

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I will bid an immediate 5S as I just made up this convention where a jump Q at the 5-level asks partner to bid grand slam witn nothing more than the Ace of my suit.

 

Works great - I highly recommend it in hindsight auctions. :)

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I am late in adding what I would do at the table. Our options are limited and we cannot expect a co-operative auction from partner very often, since we are looking at better and longer trumps than we needed to have (tho not by much, and this holding won't be a surprise) and, more importantly, we own 1st round control in all side suits.

 

There is no way that he is ever going to be the one to bid grand merely because he has, say, Axxx in diamonds

 

Grand is great opposite KQx QJxxx Axxx x...pray tell me how we can construct an auction that allows him to evaluate that, but not AKx KQJxx xxxx x?

 

I know, I should never give examples because there is always someone who claims that they and their partner always get these right.

 

I would choose 5 even tho partner has no idea about exclusion. Even partner will know this must be a void and an attempt to look for grand.

 

We may not get there.

 

But, if he cues 6 along the way (I am probably deluding myself that he can), that would imply interest and he will downgrade spade cards and upgrade the diamond A, so I will definitely bid grand over 6.

 

If he bids 5N, I have no idea what that 'should' mean...surely even a partner to whom exclusion is a deep mystery can't seriously think we want to play in notrump?

 

Again, I would take this as interest but with no club control...indeed, with an expert partner (which I suspect I don't have due to his or her ignorance of a common gadget), I would expect 5N more often than 6. So I would bid grand.

 

 

If, otoh, he goes back to 6, I am finished. Indeed, since I expect my 5 call to cause temporary paralysis over there, as he tries to figure out what madness has possessed me, the tank alone will bar me :P A non-regressive move, no matter how slow, won't bar me at all.

 

On the third hand (since my first and the other one are taken already) I would just blast 7 if I had no respect for partner at all.

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I haven't shown partner's hand yet. She had:

 

[hv=pc=n&s=sqj2hkqj852da965c]133|100[/hv]

 

The full hand:

 

[hv=pc=n&s=sqj2hkqj852da965c&w=sa98764h64d83c762&n=shadkqjt74cakj984&e=skt53ht973d2cqt53&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=1h2s3d3s4dp6cppp]399|300[/hv]

 

One other North, one of the best players in the area, said she had the same auction (including jumping to six). None of her three opponents liked the 6 bid, but she stood her ground on it in the post mortem. Her partner bid 6 and they played it there. Two pairs got to seven. One of them I'm pretty sure will have both Exclusion and GSF in their toolbox. I'll see if I can find out how they bid it. Their opponents doubled, btw, so they got a top. The other pair I don't know at all. I do know they weren't doubled. B-)

 

I was down one in 6 for a shared bottom - one other pair was also in 6. I don't know how their auction went.

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