blackshoe Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 [hv=pc=n&n=shadkqjt75cakj982&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=1h2s(Weak)3d3s4dp]133|200[/hv]Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Whether 4♠ is Exclusion or not, I'll start with that bid on the way to slam and bid the grand if PD has the ace of trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 If I am driving to 7 opposite the ace of trumps, Josephine will tell me whether she has it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Both seem good ideas, except that neither Exclusion nor Josephine is on the card. 4NT would be 1430. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Both seem good ideas, except that neither Exclusion nor Josephine is on the card. 4NT would be 1430.Get another card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I would just bid 6♦. If partner has the ace, they know I'm bidding slam without knowing if we have the ace of trump. I can imagine some opening hands with the ace that would pass, but not many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Get another card.As it happens it appears I'll be getting another partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I agree with either 4S voidwood or 5NT. Either should be ok. If neither of these is available, I will bid 5S and hope pd gets the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menggq Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 5S ERKCB 6♦ in hand,so ERKCB to find ♦A then reach 7♦! as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 4♠ should not be exclusion here. The auction is too crammed. You need 4♠ as a slam try without a heart control. Or maybe even with a heart control if 4♥ might be natural. 5♠ should be unequivocally a void though. If you play exclusion it should be that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 If I'm 100% sure pard would take 4♠ (or 5♠ lol) as voidwood, I'd bid that. If only 99% sure, I'd just bid 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 If I'm 100% sure pard would take 4♠ (or 5♠ lol) as voidwood, I'd bid that. If only 99% sure, I'd just bid 6♦.But surely 5♠, whether voidwood or only showing a void and suggesting a grand, must be better than 6♦. 7♦, however, will not be such a great contract if partner has three small clubs. There is something to be said to start with your second suit and bid 5♣. If partner bids 5♦ bid 5♠If partner bids 6♦ or 6♣ you can bid 7♦. If partner bids 5♠ bid 6♣ Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I think you are off the planet. If opener passes, and yes that is possible what do you do? Does 6c guarantee the D ace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Bidding 6 diamonds opposite an opener with 4+ diamonds looks pretty hopeless to me. If for some reason we can't expect partner to do something intelligent over 5♠, weshould bid 7♦. Perhaps 4NT in case we can stop if partner somehow doesn't hold any ace. Jumping to 6♦ before even checking if partner has the 2 aces is ludicrous. But bidding only 6 after he has 1 is not much better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Anyone who think 4♠ is exclusion is basically confused and, for their own safety, should be barred from playing conventions invented after 1970. My guess is that grand will be cold at least 90% of the time, so if I have no real way of investigating (eg 5♠), I will just punt it via RKCB. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Anyone who think 4♠ is exclusion is basically confused and, for their own safety, should be barred from playing conventions invented after 1970. My guess is that grand will be cold at least 90% of the time, so if I have no real way of investigating (eg 5♠), I will just punt it via RKCB. Provided you know the level of understanding of your partner, if 5♠ isn't exclusion then 5N is GSF, I use whichever I think partner will understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Betting on the opps bidding is not necessarily a recipe for successbut when they opps fail to do some major preempting with a 9/10 cardsuit at favorable the bet is probably a pretty good one. It is easy enoughto imagine the opps hands as something like 6313 3433 since they didnothing radical and, once we realize this, bidding rkc is a huge standoutsince p having the dia ace will pretty much assure us of making 7 withor w/o the club Q (if p shows one ace). If p has 1 ace the opps have a 9-4 or 10-3 chance of having the spadeA so that means p is a 9/4 or 10/3 chance of having the dia ace. Not quiteup to 80% standards normally needed for a grand but the free 4d bid shouldadd enough extra % to offset that deficiency. Just bidding 6d is plain wrong since 7d should be a walk in the park ifp manages to show 2 aces. This is a game of % and this is a situation wherethe odds are hugely stacked in favor of p having the dia ace (if they have only 1) so go for it. Having some extra weapons for more advanced controldiscovery would be nice but we use what we have learned as best we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 7♦, however, will not be such a great contract if partner has three small clubs. Rainer Herrmann I would give 1000 to 1 odds that partner doesn't have 3 small clubs. The opps, at favourable, bid only to 3♠ so, unless they are playing a very deep game, they don't have rate to have 10+ cards in spades. Partner holds 5+ hearts, probably 3 spades, and enough diamonds to freely raise. He can't have 3 clubs unless the opps have committed an unusual combination of passive pre-empting at white v red. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 5nt is easy if playing graded gsf. 6♣ would show the queen or less and 6♦, 1 of the top 2. I started playing that way a couple of decades ago and am surprised it hasn't caught on as well as other things. Without that I'll blast 7 but won't redouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 5nt is easy if playing graded gsf. 6♣ would show the queen or less and 6♦, 1 of the top 2. I started playing that way a couple of decades ago and am surprised it hasn't caught on as well as other things.I always assumed graded gsf responses --variable depending on the number of steps available ---were part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I always assumed graded gsf responses --variable depending on the number of steps available ---were part of it.The problem is that there are multiple ways of playing the gradation so you have to have agreed that in advance, which may or may not be the case for the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 We're off-topic here. I already told you exclusion and gsf are off the table. As it happened, I bid 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I will bid an immediate 5S as I just made up this convention where a jump Q at the 5-level asks partner to bid grand slam witn nothing more than the Ace of my suit. Works great - I highly recommend it in hindsight auctions. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I am late in adding what I would do at the table. Our options are limited and we cannot expect a co-operative auction from partner very often, since we are looking at better and longer trumps than we needed to have (tho not by much, and this holding won't be a surprise) and, more importantly, we own 1st round control in all side suits. There is no way that he is ever going to be the one to bid grand merely because he has, say, Axxx in diamonds Grand is great opposite KQx QJxxx Axxx x...pray tell me how we can construct an auction that allows him to evaluate that, but not AKx KQJxx xxxx x? I know, I should never give examples because there is always someone who claims that they and their partner always get these right. I would choose 5♠ even tho partner has no idea about exclusion. Even partner will know this must be a void and an attempt to look for grand. We may not get there. But, if he cues 6♣ along the way (I am probably deluding myself that he can), that would imply interest and he will downgrade spade cards and upgrade the diamond A, so I will definitely bid grand over 6♣. If he bids 5N, I have no idea what that 'should' mean...surely even a partner to whom exclusion is a deep mystery can't seriously think we want to play in notrump? Again, I would take this as interest but with no club control...indeed, with an expert partner (which I suspect I don't have due to his or her ignorance of a common gadget), I would expect 5N more often than 6♣. So I would bid grand. If, otoh, he goes back to 6♦, I am finished. Indeed, since I expect my 5♠ call to cause temporary paralysis over there, as he tries to figure out what madness has possessed me, the tank alone will bar me :P A non-regressive move, no matter how slow, won't bar me at all. On the third hand (since my first and the other one are taken already) I would just blast 7♦ if I had no respect for partner at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I haven't shown partner's hand yet. She had: [hv=pc=n&s=sqj2hkqj852da965c]133|100[/hv] The full hand: [hv=pc=n&s=sqj2hkqj852da965c&w=sa98764h64d83c762&n=shadkqjt74cakj984&e=skt53ht973d2cqt53&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=1h2s3d3s4dp6cppp]399|300[/hv] One other North, one of the best players in the area, said she had the same auction (including jumping to six♣). None of her three opponents liked the 6♣ bid, but she stood her ground on it in the post mortem. Her partner bid 6♦ and they played it there. Two pairs got to seven. One of them I'm pretty sure will have both Exclusion and GSF in their toolbox. I'll see if I can find out how they bid it. Their opponents doubled, btw, so they got a top. The other pair I don't know at all. I do know they weren't doubled. B-) I was down one in 6♣ for a shared bottom - one other pair was also in 6♣. I don't know how their auction went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.