Zelandakh Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Art, one easy extension would be for 2♣ to show an invitational hand but that the invite might be to slam. Then 1NT - 2♣; 2♦ - 3NT might be something similar to a regular 4NT response. This strikes me as easy to remember and consistent with the core concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Art: of course it's legal to have two different responses that both handle some gf hands. All systems have plenty of examples of that. You might be required to specify which gf hands bid what but that sounds like a good idea anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 While I know that "traditional" two-way Stayman is legal in the ACBL, I am not sure about having two responses (2♣ and 2♦) to the mini-NT which can both contain game forcing hands. But that is a regulatory problem, not a bridge problem.It's also a problem that's very easily solved. The ACBL General Convention Chart tells us that "ALL CALLS" are allowed in response to a 10-12 notrump opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 A couple of bad ideas from last night: 1. Opp's bidding (and these are one of the better pairs in the club)1♣ 1♠3♠4♣4♥4♠5♠6♠The first 3 bids are natural. The 4th is Gerber (obviously). Well actually it is some sort of RKG as the 4♥ bid shows 1 or 4. The 4♠ bid was bid after some hesitation, as was the 5♠, and the 6♠. Anybody care to guess what was going on? The 4♠ was not a sign-off, nor even a conditional sign-off assuming partner had 1. It was asking for Kings. 5♠ presumably showed 2 Kings as dummy's hand was ♠J986 ♥K93 ♦QT AKJ8. Although what other bids show is a mystery - as is why that is a 3♠ raise 2. Playing with a pick-upPard RHO Me LHO P 2♥ 2NT P3♣P Now, we had agreed that opposite a 1NT overcall, bids are natural except an immediate cue which is strong and Stayman-esque. I wasn't sure what partner meant by this bid, but in the end decided to pass. After the opening lead, as I was putting down dummy, I mentioned our agreement over 1NT and that I hoped I had guessed right. At which point my RHO said something like "Oh isn't that the unusual NT? I think your partner forgot to alert." And indeed everybody at the table thought that 2NT in this position showed both minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 A couple of bad ideas from last night: 1. Opp's bidding (and these are one of the better pairs in the club)1♣ 1♠3♠4♣4♥4♠5♠6♠The first 3 bids are natural. The 4th is Gerber (obviously). Well actually it is some sort of RKG as the 4♥ bid shows 1 or 4. The 4♠ bid was bid after some hesitation, as was the 5♠, and the 6♠. Anybody care to guess what was going on? The 4♠ was not a sign-off, nor even a conditional sign-off assuming partner had 1. It was asking for Kings. 5♠ presumably showed 2 Kings as dummy's hand was ♠J986 ♥K93 ♦QT AKJ8. Although what other bids show is a mystery - as is why that is a 3♠ raise 2. Playing with a pick-upPard RHO Me LHO P 2♥ 2NT P3♣P Now, we had agreed that opposite a 1NT overcall, bids are natural except an immediate cue which is strong and Stayman-esque. I wasn't sure what partner meant by this bid, but in the end decided to pass. After the opening lead, as I was putting down dummy, I mentioned our agreement over 1NT and that I hoped I had guessed right. At which point my RHO said something like "Oh isn't that the unusual NT? I think your partner forgot to alert." And indeed everybody at the table thought that 2NT in this position showed both minors.These exhibits do not rise to the level of bad ideas. In order to be bad ideas, there has to be an idea to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Theoretically there is no need for 2♦ as forcing Stayman. You can always have some sort of relay system after regular 2♣ Stayman to handle the GF hands you would use 2♦ for. That said, if you're using 12-14, 10-12 or a similar 1N range and have decided not to use transfers using 2♦ as GF Stayman can really simplify your bidding system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 If you don't want opponents to balance over your transfers, you might just try something like1NT 2♦=weak with ♥ or inv+ with ♠1NT 2♥=weak with ♠ or inv+ with ♥Which makes direct actions dangerous for 4th hand B-) and good for rightsiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerclub Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 what? you never made 3NT on 24 HCP? ya newbie :P I got caught on this one and passed . . . something like 1♦, 1♥, 2NT all pass . . . leading to a lecture from my RHO. "If she's got 18-19 and you've got 6 or 7, min. . . . <yawn> . . . ." P considers herself lucky when I put down a K and 2 Js. :P I dunno, maybe he was planning some kind of snake in the grass x. In my book, it is unethically rude to comment on OPPs bidding in their presence unless asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I got caught on this one and passed . . . something like 1♦, 1♥, 2NT all pass . . . leading to a lecture from my RHO. "If she's got 18-19 and you've got 6 or 7, min. . . . <yawn> . . . ." P considers herself lucky when I put down a K and 2 Js. :P I dunno, maybe he was planning some kind of snake in the grass x. In my book, it is unethically rude to comment on OPPs bidding in their presence unless asked.I don't mind conversation unrelated to bridge before a hand is taken out of the first board of the round, or after the last board is scored up, but I abhor any discussion by anybody of hands previously played in the session at any time, or any discussion of anything at all unrelated to the current hand during the round. The time for post-mortems is after the session is over. Preferably over a beer, or after some sessions a case of Scotch. Or tequila. :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 playing a weak NT in a strong NT country for many years now. Now I play transfers but used to play no transfers, not a big deal one way or another. I think no transfers is slightly better in a 11-14 range in a 12-14 range both are about equals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 You might want to avoid stepping in this particular hornet's nest ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 You might want to avoid stepping in this particular hornet's nest ;) :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Next time you see someone with both Gerber and Stolen Bid on their CC, tell them that they can combine the two, playing a dbl of opps' 4♣ as ace asking. Then report here if they thought you were serious 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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