Free Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 You hold: [hv=d=w&v=e&s=st9876ht94dktct84]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The bidding goes: 1♠ - Dbl - 1NT* - pass2♥* - pass - 2♠ - passpass - Dbl - RDbl - ? 1NT = transfer ♣, doesn't promisse/deny ♠2♥ = doesn't like ♣ Over to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I got five "good spades" (surely worth at least one trick. I got a the diamond king. Sounds like partner has hearts and there is no change they have a good fit. Clearly partne could bid 2NT as a general takeout with a void here, or he could bid 3C as pass/correct looking for a minor fit (despite the club transfer). I think this is money for you with a pass. I can imagine 2Sxx down three for +1600 for us... after all, partner heard you pass 1NT, heard you pass 2S... for the bidding you have a great hand. The only problem with pass is partner might pull.. but then it is on him. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 pass whatever it means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 pass whatever it means. Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I can imagine 2Sxx down three for +1600 for us... I can imagine +840 for the bad guys. (I have a hard time imagining a good score for our side.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I can imagine 2Sxx down three for +1600 for us... I can imagine +840 for the bad guys. (I have a hard time imagining a good score for our side.) What hand do you imagine for your parnter where he 1) doesn't pass2) doesn't bid 2NT now as takeout with void (to keep you from passing)3) doesn't bid a new suit of his own? He is looking at a potential misfit auction for his opponents. His LHO seeems to have clubs, his RHO has both majors, and you haven't been able to bid. I suspect he has a huge hand. If i had to guess, i would go with 1444 and like 17-19 hcp, maybe stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 The bidding is very strange, it seems like partner doesnt have a very strong hand or else he would double 2H, partner doubled only on balancing since in balancing he believe we have around 20 hcp together since they didnt try for game, but looking at our hand and the redouble, we dont have those 20 hcp. maybe the opponents had a misunderstanding here(some use the transfer to clubs to show good support, maybe rho tried to do that and lho took it as a weak preference), maybe they just underbid. Anyway i know as always whatever i do will turn out as the worse choice.I will choose pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Well, let's see, how about: [hv=n=sxhkqjxdaqxxxckxx&w=saqjxxhaxxxxdjxcx&e=skxhxdxxxxcaqxxxx&s=st9876ht94dktct84]399|300|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Well, let's see, how about: [hv=n=sxhkqjxdaqxxxckxx&w=saqjxxhaxxxxdjxcx&e=skxhxdxxxxcaqxxxx&s=st9876ht94dktct84]399|300|[/hv] With a preferct play will make 9 tricks (after the ovious trump lead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 On this hand you are also down 3 in your best fit (diamonds). I would run if I saw a good spot for us. I dont', and I have no clue how 2SXX will fare. Perhaps partner does, I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Well, let's see, how about: [hv=n=sxhkqjxdaqxxxckxx&w=saqjxxhaxxxxdjxcx&e=skxhxdxxxxcaqxxxx&s=st9876ht94dktct84]399|300|[/hv] If your partner is this weak and hit 2♠ (yes i know it is takeout), I have to wonder about him. This is only 15 hcp. His base suit is AQ empty. His club king is poorly place on the auction. There is no reason what soever to double with this hand. If you could bid a red suit, you WOULD HAVE DONE SO over 1NT. To double 2♠ here to get you to bid at the three level is suicide. Partner is much more likely to have similar hearts (maybe KJxx), the diamond AQ seem good bet, but the clubs are probobalby AKQ or AKJ. I guess free will tell us soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Wow - nice balance. Youre pretty much toast whatever you do. Pass and let partner play 3♦ while you go get a Coke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Hum.. a bit of a messy situation. Seems you're screwed up no matter what you do, so I gamble on pard having a singleton spade honor and pass. Pass shows spade lenght, though pard can rescue himself if he likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Pass also ! Seems I have two defensive tricks (I hope) :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Well, let's see, how about: Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ x ♥ KQJx ♦ AQxxx ♣ Kxx ♠ AQJxx ♥ Axxxx ♦ Jx ♣ x ♠ Kx ♥ x ♦ xxxx ♣ AQxxxx ♠ T9876 ♥ T94 ♦ KT ♣ T84 I suppose that, if this is the layout and we pass (my choice), pard will likely pull the redouble to 3D, acknowledging his earlier overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Partner is much more likely to have similar hearts (maybe KJxx), the diamond AQ seem good bet, but the clubs are probobalby AKQ or AKJ. I guess free will tell us soon. It doesn't sound to me like partner can have AKQ or AKJ of clubs, RHO has to have something, he might have been fooling around with the transfer on the way to 2S, but not after he redoubled. You can put the Queen of clubs in the north hand (and leave east with Axxxxx) and 2S still rates to make. I think we agree that someone has done something wrong. Unfortunately, I expect it to be partner (who passed 2H). Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Pass, nowhere to go. Hoping for -1. If they can make then we will go down a lot at three level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Partner is much more likely to have similar hearts (maybe KJxx), the diamond AQ seem good bet, but the clubs are probobalby AKQ or AKJ. I guess free will tell us soon. It doesn't sound to me like partner can have AKQ or AKJ of clubs, RHO has to have something, he might have been fooling around with the transfer on the way to 2S, but not after he redoubled. You can put the Queen of clubs in the north hand (and leave east with Axxxxx) and 2S still rates to make. I think we agree that someone has done something wrong. Unfortunately, I expect it to be partner (who passed 2H). Tim Well, I take it from Phil's "Wow - nice balance. Youre pretty much toast whatever you do. " is in line with my thoughts. No way your partner is this weak on this auciton. You came up with a funky hand, but if i was to come up what a complete hand, I would draw up something like...[hv=n=sjhajxxdajxxxcakj&w=sakxxxhkqxxxdxxcx&e=sqxhxdqxxxcq9xxxx&s=st9876ht9xdktct84]399|300|[/hv] And technically, this is probably a minimum for partner. A trump lead, then a diamond to you, and a second trump, and this will be very expensive for them. Again, I think we shall just have to wait for Free to post the real hand. Ben PS - to Phil, my understanding is the hand Tim showed is one Tim came up with on his own, just like the one I showed here is one I made up. I agree with Phil and hs sarcastic comment "nice balance" so much that with that hand, I am certain I would pass 2♠.. that is, that hand isn't good enough for me to bid again on this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Opps seem to have:no ♠ fitno ♣ fitopener might only have one ♣ Partner should have:4+ ♥, meaning opps can't have a ♥ fit too So i don't think opps have a fit at all, as a consequence we won't have a fit too.So partner should have: ♠ 1, ♥ 4, ♦ 5 (4), ♣ 3(4)Taking opps points into account partner might have something beween 16-18 HCP.He knows he must downgrade his ♣, because opener is short, but he must also be sure that declarer cannot drop all his ♦ and ♥ looser on ♣. I expect our side to make 1♣, 3♦, 1♠ and 1-2 ♥ tricks. So pass is the best choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Ben, I can understand East trying to play in clubs after the takeout double (though I would just pass) and then taking preference to spades over opener's 2H. But, why on earth would he redouble with that hand? Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 In this deal, I see nothing to distrust the LAW. They are only in a 7cd fit (I really think partner should not bid like this with a void), we most liklely don't have an 8cd fit either. 14 total trumps, so if they make 2♠, we are down 3 doubled. Yes there are deals with 16 total tricks and 14 total trumps, but here I have (very) slow spade tricks, and me (the short trump hand) has no ruffing value. I admit that it is hard to construct hands where everyone has his bid (sounds like my LHO is Ben :)), but in that case I trust partner. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I can understand East trying to play in clubs after the takeout double (though I would just pass) and then taking preference to spades over opener's 2H. But, why on earth would he redouble with that hand? Tim Well, the trick is to try to come up with a hand consistent with the bidding. As north, I wouldn't make a second takeout double with a void in their suit, so spades are 5-1-2-5 around the table. Trying to figure out what 2♥ "I don't like clubs" means is a little tricky. Does West's, I don't like clubs mean a club void (since his partner can be very weak with 6/7 clubs? Does "I don't like clubs" mean singleton and great second suit? I think we can discount a great second suit, so West has 0 or 1 club. If he has no clubs, then they are really in trouble EVEN if EAST has the club AQ.. .as there will not be an entry to it (East can hardly have AQ of clubs and a spade entry), and partner can't be 5-5 in the reds becasue no michaels, and no 2NT takeout here. In addition, West can't be 5-4-4-0, or he might bid 2♦, I don't like clubs rather than 2♥, I don't like clubs. So now we are ready to see the distibution. Your 5-5-2-1 is possisble, but so is 5-5-3-0. As for EAST's redouble... Well, maybe he has ♠K and west the ♠Q. With Kx of spades, two side queens and ruffing value in hearts, a redouble isn't horrible. I wouldn't redouble... but you are betting it is your partner, not your opponent, who made the mistake. Try to play with better partners, and back your partner. I like it when my partners trust my bids more than my opponents. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Try to play with better partners, and back your partner. I like it when my partners trust my bids more than my opponents. This wasn't my partner, it was Free's partner (or Free)! I do think redouble is nuts with the ♠K, a couple of queens and a ruffing value, especially with only two trumps and an obvious trump lead coming. I think it's more likely that my pickup partner has made a questionable balance than RHO made a questionable redouble. Anyway, I justsaid I could imagine 840. I didn't say there was anything to be done about it. I mostly agree with those that suggest any three-level contract could be just as bad or worse. And, I really don't see +1600 unless one of the opponents has simply gone crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Try to play with better partners, and back your partner. I like it when my partners trust my bids more than my opponents. This wasn't my partner, it was Free's partner (or Free)! I do think redouble is nuts with the ♠K, a couple of queens and a ruffing value, especially with only two trumps and an obvious trump lead coming. I think it's more likely that my pickup partner has made a questionable balance than RHO made a questionable redouble. Anyway, I justsaid I could imagine 840. I didn't say there was anything to be done about it. I mostly agree with those that suggest any three-level contract could be just as bad or worse. And, I really don't see +1600 unless one of the opponents has simply gone crazy. +!600 is best result possible, +1000 or +400 seems more likely. I have to admit, i would be very disappointed if 2♠xx made here. But, of course, if you pass 2♠XX, partner might bid.. that is, the auction isn't over yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 You came up with a funky hand, but if i was to come up what a complete hand, I would draw up something like... Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ J ♥ AJxx ♦ AJxxx ♣ AKJ ♠ AKxxx ♥ KQxxx ♦ xx ♣ x ♠ Qx ♥ x ♦ Qxxx ♣ Q9xxxx ♠ T9876 ♥ T9x ♦ KT ♣ T84 And technically, this is probably a minimum for partner.I think if you move the ♥Q from LHO to RHO and a low diamond back (or ♥K to RHO and the low heart back), then everybody has his bid. At least, I will open with AKxxx Kxxx xxx x, would balance with partner's hand, and might redouble on Kx Qx Qxx Q9xxxx on a bad day, or even on Kx K Qxxx Q9xxxx on a very bad day :) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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