Not Again :)

[lesh]

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[trevahound]

In with double (again), not 4nt. I'm happy if partner leaves this in, and feel okay with any other call partner makes. Wtp? Is this really close?

[whereagles]

Well, I'm bidding 4NT. Pass/dbl is too likely to be the end, and I'm not sure that's best for our side.

[wank]

easy double

[Fluffy]

double is obvious we have average ODR despite the void

[nige1]

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IMO Double = 10, Pass = 8, 4N = 7.

[wank]

IMO Double = 10, Pass = 8, 4N = 7.

 

and that's the largest difference between nige1's 1st and 2nd ranking since 2008.

[gnasher]

I'd double, assuming that's for takeout.

 

It's nice to find that I'm actually able to answer one of Lesh's problems. The other three are too difficult for me.

[nige1]

rubbish deleted :(

[gszes]

On average we appear to have a game our way which makes any risk

vs reward decision mostly simple. The problem then seems to be how

to decide to pursue game. IMHO 4n seems far superior to x for a

number of reasons.

 

1. x will far too often result in the opps playing 4sx which rates to be

a poor result for us.

 

2. if p bids diamonds are we confident enough to leave it in and is diamonds

going to play well since our dia supply will quickly evaporate with spade leads.

 

3. Strain will be the most important factor in making at the 5 level and up both

the hearts and the (lack of top cards but strong intermediate) clubs give us good

reason to like those suits and if the choice is close we would almost surely prefer

to play !H!C vs diamonds.

 

4. If p bids diamonds after our 4n we can have a great deal more confidence that dia

is a great place to play (not a sure thing though).

 

5. x may well result in playing 4s x when p is above average and slam is a huge favorite

our way and it is highly unlikely any reasonable 4s opening bid is going for 1400.

 

4n = 8

x = 5

P = 2

[lesh]

This hand happened to me one day later I ended up going for 4nt and the 2000 :) I try not to get discouraged after bad results so I was in the action again :)

 

Well... I try to bid the same over and over again to avoid biases :) So I went in with 4nt again :) I found partner with

 

[hv=pc=n&n=s654h76dkt2cak654]133|100[/hv]

 

 

So it didn't end up that bad after all :) So for those of you who selected DBL, what should our partner do :)

[whereagles]

Bid 5♣, what else? :)

[razorsharp]

WOW! What a dilemma! Toss-up between X & 4NT? Pass is pusillanimous, as action(s) probabaly improve our chances.

 

Over 4S opener, X is "takeout with many QT's" (3 or is it 2? GULP) 4NT is any 2-OR-3 suited takeout. Theoretically, partner's 5D/4NT pull would be "pass or correct" but I'd probably leave it in unless LHO whakked it out!)

 

I vote for 4NT since I'm S-VOID for offense+, and they have so-big a fit that 5S is imminent. My 3rd QT on D is very suspect. Both sides could make here, but if EITHER side makes we probably should be bidding, eh?

 

I rate 4NT=10, X=5, P=2. trust me!H I'm razorsharp

[PhantomSac]

I had a dream that this hand went 4S X p 5C p 6C p 7C

[PhantomSac]

Also if it goes 4S 4N p ? What do you bid? If partner has clubs you want to bid a slam but if they have the reds you don't (?) So maybe bidding 5D is right, you trade playing 5D opposite the minors (but if partner has the minors they probably have a good save in any number of spades, and compared to bidding 5C you will still play a making game if they don't save), but you get to 6C opposite C+H.

[MrAce]

 

 

So for those of you who selected DBL, what should our partner do :)

 

5♣

[kuhchung]

How close is the N hand to passing 4Sx? xx instead of xxx in spades?

[gszes]

This hand happened to me one day later I ended up going for 4nt and the 2000 :) I try not to get discouraged after bad results so I was in the action again :)

 

Well... I try to bid the same over and over again to avoid biases :) So I went in with 4nt again :) I found partner with

 

[hv=pc=n&n=s654h76dkt2cak654]133|100[/hv]

 

 

So it didn't end up that bad after all :) So for those of you who selected DBL, what should our partner do :)

 

look at the two hands side by side and you will note that the second hand is not only

20% stronger (yes 2 hcp is actually 20%) but has a void in the spade suit (the void is

hard to qualtify but gut feeling is the void alone probably adds 30% or more to your

chances of success). This is a rather massive difference when one is thinking about making

any bid and it means you have a 50% greater chance of success and 50% chance less of

significant damage by bidding with hand 2 vs hand 1. The two hands are really not all

that close at high levels. Most of the time we take our time at the low levels and only

once we are happy do we venture into the 5+ level. Take a closer look at what you and

your partners would consider as minimum values for an overcall of a 4s opener at

unfavorable.

 

Be discouraged by bad results that are not caused by unreasonable distribution::::: and do not

become enamored with success that is also a product of unreasonable distribution--ie say making

6n on 3 finesses and 2 suit breaks:) or dummy hitting with 4 card trump support and a void for no

reason in particular:)

[gszes]

This hand happened to me one day later I ended up going for 4nt and the 2000 :) I try not to get discouraged after bad results so I was in the action again :)

 

Well... I try to bid the same over and over again to avoid biases :) So I went in with 4nt again :) I found partner with

 

[hv=pc=n&n=s654h76dkt2cak654]133|100[/hv]

 

 

So it didn't end up that bad after all :) So for those of you who selected DBL, what should our partner do :)

 

look at the two hands side by side and you will note that the second hand is not only

20% stronger (yes 2 hcp is actually 20%) but has a void in the spade suit (the void is

hard to quantify but gut feeling is the void alone probably adds 30% or more to your

chances of success). This is a rather massive difference when one is thinking about making

any bid and it means you have a 50% greater chance of success and 50% chance less of

significant damage by bidding with hand 2 vs hand 1. The two hands are really not all

that close at high levels. Most of the time we take our time at the low levels and only

once we are happy do we venture into the 5+ level. Take a closer look at what you and

your partners would consider as minimum values for an overcall of a 4s opener at

unfavorable.

 

Be discouraged by bad results that are not caused by unreasonable distribution::::: and do not

become enamored with success that is also a product of unreasonable distribution--ie say making

6n on 3 finesses and 2 suit breaks:) or dummy hitting with 4 card trump support and a void for no

reason in particular:)

[dake50]

I had a dream that this hand went 4S X p 5C p 6C p 7C -- PhantomSac

 

*** My dream was similar: 4S X p 5C p 5S p 7C.

[Zelandakh]

Also if it goes 4S 4N p ? What do you bid? If partner has clubs you want to bid a slam but if they have the reds you don't

This is the big advantage of the "Modified Rexford" idea, in which a direct overcall of 5m shows that minor + hearts with 4NT covering the normal 5m overcalls.

[Free]

rubbish deleted :(

You forgot to delete pass = 8 and 4NT = 7...

 

Dbl is obvious imo.

[jdeegan]

:P 4NT??? Whatever happened to the old fashioned treatment where the double of 4♠ is cooperative saying "I think it is our hand and we can probably beat 4♠" whereas 4NT is a generalized three suit takeout with zero or one ♠? Imo, the LOTT tends to validate this older approach. RHO has 7 or 8 ♠, and you don't have any. The expected number of ♠ for the opponents is 10+. LHO and partner figure to hold about half the high cards between them. You don't happen to have even one little ♠, and your hand is potentially a huge playing hand. Time to get lucky gambler. Feel of the table is part of it, too. Johnny Crawford did not usually get these kind of hands wrong.