Cyberyeti Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 And do you prefer his opinion to the commentators I cite because:(a) he is normally knows what he's talking about, as opposed to the Dutch TV, who knows who they are.(b) it fits in neatly in your narrative and you prefer not to consider that it might be wrong. I'm 99% sure the summariser was Chris Waddle, somebody who's a hero in France and very well known in the UK. He is also not afraid to step outside of the party line. I recalled there being a lot of free kicks all to Brazil in the really early stages, and I trust his opinion. His comments as England got stuffed by Germany in the last world cup as to exactly why were right on the money. The commentator was saying the same thing. My usual experience of those two is listening to commentary on a Saturday afternoon, then watching the highlights in the evening, and their calls are usually right, when they make that sort of call a large number of times, I'd be well nigh certain they're right for most if not all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 That would be more or less reasonable for me - even though I am unconvinced about charges of widespread corruption influencing referees, FIFA is corrupt in other ways, and it seems completely obvious that Qatar bidding for and winning the rights to organise 2022 are a product of corruption. I am not as outraged about 2018 as Russia is at least a proper footballing nation, although of course the 2022 decision being on the same day as the 2018 one and being made by the same corrupt committee raises serious questions on the integrity on it. :)I guess it depends what you mean by "corrupt". As far as I know, FIFA is a private organization. If so, they can choose their venues in any fashion they wish. If they choose those who give them the nicest gifts, that is up to them. I suppose if this goes on long enough, then eventually they will lose their credibility to the point that a startup organization could compete with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I guess it depends what you mean by "corrupt". As far as I know, FIFA is a private organization. If so, they can choose their venues in any fashion they wish. If they choose those who give them the nicest gifts, that is up to them. I suppose if this goes on long enough, then eventually they will lose their credibility to the point that a startup organization could compete with them.By corrupt I mean they pick the country who bribes them, and not the country with the most merit. Other countries spent millions trying to develop sensible projects, thinking/hoping the latter was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I was looking at Betfair before the match and 7.5+goals was 249-1. I suggested this might be worth a punt and got mocked...and that was probably deserved. There were 4 real bets in London on 7-1 score, odds 1000/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I wonder how the Argentina - Netherlands game will be watched in the living room of the Dutch royal family... Rik For the record, she said Netherlands when asked who would she root for, in 2010, for argentine TV.OTOH, can't see how could she answer differently. Context: the Dutch queen was born in Argentina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 It's a factor but 5 vs 4 days is not the end of the world. So, 120+ mins of running and fighting while the Germans relax at the hotel spa. The impact of this you will see in the 2nd half of the final for sure.. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 So, 120+ mins of running and fighting while the Germans relax at the hotel spa. The impact of this you will see in the 2nd half of the final for sure.. IMOYou're making it sound like the final is tomorrow. It is on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 You're making it sound like the final is tomorrow. It is on Sunday. Dont forget its the end of the very long season, the regeneration time is then longer and longer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Dont forget its the end of the very long season, the regeneration time is then longer and longer...I didn't forget it. Thanks. I hope you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 dup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 This morning I was feeling pretty good because I was set to win $1,500 if either Brazil or Argentina won the whole shebang. I am currently kicking myself for not taking insurance. anyway, still in-money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I still don't think penalties are a lottery. Romero was clearly better than Cillessen and Vlaar took the worst penalty from all 8 taken. That's not blind luck by any stretch of the imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 we saved more than $40K with brazil not making the final. good luck with ARG, hrothgar this is the greatest world cup of all time, right? definitely delivered lots of amazing games and lots of LOLs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I still don't think penalties are a lottery. Romero was clearly better than Cillessen and Vlaar took the worst penalty from all 8 taken. That's not blind luck by any stretch of the imagination.I fully agree. However, I can see that from the point of view of a coach (which is what you may be referring to after yesterday's Van Gaal interview) they are a lottery. During the game, he has an influence on the outcome, he can motivate, change the system, sub players. That is even more true for a tactical coach like Van Gaal. During the penalty shoot out a coach can only bite his nails. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I fully agree. However, I can see that from the point of view of a coach (which is what you may be referring to after yesterday's Van Gaal interview) they are a lottery. During the game, he has an influence on the outcome, he can motivate, change the system, sub players. That is even more true for a tactical coach like Van Gaal. During the penalty shoot out a coach can only bite his nails. Rik Van Gaal made a difference vs Costa Rica, by bringing on Krul. However, I think that decision may have come back to haunt him - it will have reduced the team's confidence for yesterday's shootout, knowing that Cillessen would have been subbed if the Dutch hadn't already made all three of their substitutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Talking of which - why isn't a 4th substitution permitted in games that go into extra time? Seems a no-brainer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I fully agree. However, I can see that from the point of view of a coach (which is what you may be referring to after yesterday's Van Gaal interview) they are a lottery. During the game, he has an influence on the outcome, he can motivate, change the system, sub players. That is even more true for a tactical coach like Van Gaal. During the penalty shoot out a coach can only bite his nails. RikPicking a better player to take the first penalty could have been a start. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I kinda knew he was going to miss the second he stepped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Picking a better player to take the first penalty could have been a start. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I kinda knew he was going to miss the second he stepped up. Apparently two other (unnamed) players refused to take the first one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Picking a better player to take the first penalty could have been a start. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but I kinda knew he was going to miss the second he stepped up.Vlaar would have been penatly kicker number 6 against Costa Rica, and the normal number 1 (Van Persie) wasn't on the field anymore, so Vlaar would have been among the first 5. Apparently Van Gaal had asked two other players before whether they wanted to take the first penalty kick. They declined. Then he asked Vlaar (who -until the penalty kick- had been playing his best game ever) and Vlaar said yes. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Looks like Romero should have been reading BBF: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/10/ron-vlaar-penalty-world-cup-semi-final-holland-argentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted July 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Suarez moves to FCB. There are vicious rumors that the team will be renamed in Barcelona Grizzlies :rolleyes: Anybody knows more unimportant event under the sun than the one will take place tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Suarez moves to FCB. There are vicious rumors that the team will be renamed in Barcelona Grizzlies :rolleyes: Anybody knows more unimportant event under the sun than the one will take place tonight?Spain-Australia? 90% of the matches in a football league? I personally like these games, they can serve as a farewell to the teams and can show some spectacular football precisely because the stakes are so low. At the same time I understand the Dutch arguments against playing tonight as well, Van Gaal saying that it's not fair to lose two matches in a row when you played so well to get where you are now. The Brazilians, on the other hand, are very eager to show the world that they can do better than in the semis.. They can get maybe 1% repentance for the drubbing on Tuesday, but that would be repentance all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 But I do kind of agree that these matches are pointless and I have nothing better to do (except work, but who wants to work on a Saturday?), so I spent half an hour examining Cyberyeti's claim that there were 6-7 ridiculous free kicks awarded to Brazil. Another example which then settled down, in the first 10 minutes of the Brazil-Mexico game, Brazil got 6 or 7 ludicrous free kicks for good challenges. I checked 15 minutes just to be sure that it was not a rounding-off error. So I saw the following free kicks awarded: 1': Brazil (no replay)1': Brazil, clear foul* on Neymar2': Mexico, should have been a FK for Brazil (the Mexican dude fouled first)5': Brazil, clear foul on Luis Gustavo (card?)7': Brazil, clear foul on Neymar10': Brazil, handball (no replay but no protests either - in all the other cases there were protests)---11': Mexico, clear offside13': Mexico, Dani Alves late tackle, for me a clear card14': Brazil, clear foul on Oscar In addition, I see the following two incidents that should have been freekicks:5': should have been a FK to Mexico6': maybe a FK to Mexico, but no replay So the total balance was 6-3 in free kicks for Brazil-Mexico and should have been 7-4, as far as I can tell (anyway your claim was there were 6-7 ridiculous free kicks for Brazil in 10 minutes, well there were only 5 of them and 3 of them were clear and 2 had no replays but looked like a foul/handball to me). For the record, none of these free kicks were from particularly dangerous positions, mostly in the middle third. Brazil should have been booked but Mexico also given half a card for 5' (some other late challenges were also arguably bookable but let's stick to this one). So yes, the evil cheating referees gave Brazil half a yellow card advantage in the first quarter of an hour. I don't care if Glenn Hoddle is a hero in France or England or if he is a Nobel Prize winner. Watch the game yourself and see. He is dead wrong here and so are you CY if you blindly accept what he says. *-whenever I say clear foul, it means it is a late tackle with no contact whatsoever with the ball and clear contact with the opposing player (of course there are other ways of clearly fouling someone but they didn't occur here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Where did you watch this ? And Chris Waddle, not Glenn Hoddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Oops, sorry about that mistake. I watched it on the Dutch TV website www.nos.nl but I think that is unavailable for people outside the NL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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