gwnn Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Dont know the min. He flew very hig with body and leg into the U-player. A very dangerous move for me.And he got a booking for it. But he didn't try to hurt the other guy, just tried to play the ball (he did it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Aha, saw the Balotelli card now. How can you possibly think that he "did the same"? He jumped for the ball and kicked someone accidentally in the process. It is still a dangerous action so I agree with the yellow. But you are saying he did not get a yellow, which minute was that? Sorry I was wrong with "no card". But this action was not less dangerous for me than the one in the red situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 It's not how high he raises his foot, it's what he's doing with it. It's just a cynical stamp, nothing to do with the ball, and he knows exactly what he is doing.OK, if this is red by rule, then refs job is to enforce the rule. Now is there a rule about biting? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Yes as I pointed out two or three posts above already. The referee punished the infraction he saw and did not punish the one he did not see. What more can he do? Marchisio was a muppet for doing what he did right under the referee's nose. I hope you're wrong about Suarez not being suspended significantly, but I'm not sure. You never know with FIFA. spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Aberlour, ok, for you touching someone on their back with your feet while you're jumping to head the ball is just as dangerous as stamping under someone's knees (you can very easily break someone's legs with the second one, they can get some mud on the T-shirt from the first one). Good for you. I guess you think Marchisio also tried to play the ball and he was not malicious at all? (sp) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Yes as I pointed out two or three posts above already. The referee punished the infraction he saw and did not punish the one he did not see. What more can he do? Marchesio was a muppet for doing what he did right under the referee's nose. I hope you're wrong about Suarez not being suspended significantly, but I'm not sure. You never know with FIFA.Yes, you are right, the ref can only do so much. The real problem IMO is that there aren't enough refs. I have often found this very strange. This is the World Cup, the premier sporting event in the entire world, and there are just as many on-field officials as at my local youth soccer league. It would make such a huge difference to have a second ref on the field, perhaps specifically to watch play away from the ball. FIFA can certainly afford it for their biggest attraction. It seems to me that FIFA just likes this kind of thing, missed calls and bad calls make for drama and buzz, or whatever. Sort of a no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity position. Maybe my view is just too American, dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 They put some referees behind the goals in UEFA competitions (bringing up the total number to 6: a central ref, two linesmen, two goal-line refs, and the genius who shows extra time and tells the coaches to shut up). It's been a mixed success so far. I remember some games where these goalline referees completely missed obvious penalties or gave penalties for obvious dives. It might be something of a psychological problem, they aren't used to this new rule. The goal-line dude would most likely have seen the bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'm very interested in the US - Germany game, not the least because of the relevance to the never-ending debates about sportsmanlike dumping I was looking into putting a large bet on a tie for this reason (both teams are incentivized heavily to tie), but the market seems to have adjusted a lot for this factor, the odds of a tie are significantly higher than they would have been if this had been game 1. I don't really know anything about soccer, what are peoples opinions of how much of a factor this will be to the German team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I was looking into putting a large bet on a tie for this reason (both teams are incentivized heavily to tie), but the market seems to have adjusted a lot for this factor, the odds of a tie are significantly higher than they would have been if this had been game 1. I don't really know anything about soccer, what are peoples opinions of how much of a factor this will be to the German team? Knowing J. Löw (german coach) he let them play some kind of safety and controlled football in this situation. Löw thinks 2 moves forward, To save so much physical power as possible for later stages will be most important for him. There are several problems with injured players too. But I still think they will win it (1-0) even if they play in the "power-save-mode" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I was looking into putting a large bet on a tie for this reason (both teams are incentivized heavily to tie), but the market seems to have adjusted a lot for this factor, the odds of a tie are significantly higher than they would have been if this had been game 1. I don't really know anything about soccer, what are peoples opinions of how much of a factor this will be to the German team?See my post above, I don't think the incentives are right for the German team. If you google.de "Gijon", the second hit is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germany_1%E2%80%930_Austria, aka "Schande von Gijon" ("disgrace of Gijon") - where Germany and Austria colluded to let the game end in a 1-0 victory for Germany, which let both teams advance.. If you google.de "Weltmeisterschaft 1982", on the first page almost half the links focus on this game. And the German team made it to the finals.If you are a cynic and think football players are motivated by earnings only, they'd have a lot more to lose in endorsements by collusion than to gain by the miniscule improvement of securing a group win over 2nd place. If you think they are motivated by ego - well then they want to win (or at least look good) as soon as they are out on the pitch. Only if you think they are motivated only by their dream of winning a world cup AND cynical enough to use every means necessary to increase the chances of reaching it they'd have an incentive to collude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Aberlour, ok, for you touching someone on their back with your feet while you're jumping to head the ball is just as dangerous as stamping under someone's knees (you can very easily break someone's legs with the second one, they can get some mud on the T-shirt from the first one). Good for you. I guess you think Marchesio also tried to play the ball and he was not malicious at all? Look it in this perspective http://nesncom.files...gif?w=640&h=360 To jump so with full speed into the player and hit him with the foot in the neck ist still by far more dangerous as what Marchesio did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I was looking into putting a large bet on a tie for this reason (both teams are incentivized heavily to tie), but the market seems to have adjusted a lot for this factor, the odds of a tie are significantly higher than they would have been if this had been game 1. I don't really know anything about soccer, what are peoples opinions of how much of a factor this will be to the German team? Factors are -The heat-Comfortable position of both teams-Not taking risk and try to not have a serious injury in an (kinda) unimportant match ( players tend to approach to the ball like girls at this type of games, if someone charging aggressively they prefer to lose the ball for not getting injured) Some teams do not even line up with their best 11 in that type of games and you can hardly blame the coach. But all of this does not mean they will just shake hands and try to tie the match. I am with Arend (Cherdano) on this. We (USA) have been well prepared for this WC by Klinsman. I watched every single second of "Road to 2014 WC" TV show of how USA prepared including all practice matches and sessions. One thing stroke me is their conditioning. Their physical conditioning is very good, they are doing good with the possession of the ball as well. However what scares the ***** out of me is our defense. Even though i try to watch every game, I watched Germany only vs Ghana and they did not impress me. But they love defensive mistakes of opponents and we do this a lot. Germans are not only dangerous from the wings, but they have their weird way of creating (i bet all practiced 1000 times) accurate positions at the top of the box which their opponents always seem to get caught unguarded. Brazil is the other team who does that. They also defend that goal area like you defend a bridge hand. Basically they play this game just like they built cars like Mercedes or BMW. They are not as fancy as Ferrari, Lamborghini or Corvette to watch, but they are more stable, safer and more comfortable http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Sorry I was wrong with "no card". But this action was not less dangerous for me than the one in the red situationThat's completely wrong. Getting stomped as done by Marchisio can cause the type of injury that ends careers - your foot is locked into the ground with the cleats and your full weight on it, while suddenly someone stomps on it from the side - perfect mechanics to break your knee. Also note that Marchisio made an effort to put his cleats up into the opponent's leg, while Balotelli made an effort to tack his cleats in and bracing the impact by hitting his opponent with his full lower leg than just with his feet. To summarize, Balotelli went at the ball with full speed and high risk dangerously, but then braced the impact once he saw the opponent had beaten him to the spot. Marchisio made no play at the ball, just stomped his opponent in a way to maximize the "hurts brutally but looks harmless" quotient, and put his cleats up to top off. Obviously Suarez should have been sent off, but Marchisio has only himself to blame. As an aside, a Suarez speciality is to stomp on an opponent's foot with his cleat - and he gets away with it way too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 That's completely wrong. Do you really want to compare the situation in that a 88kg human missle hit sombody in the most tenderest region of the body. Such a brutal action may not only end the sport career but with very very heavy head and/or neck injuries. Urus #6 has had a lot of luck that this did not happen. http://nesncom.files...gif?w=640&h=360 I dont see here any try to baffle the impact. He saw him before he jumped brutally in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I don't really know anything about soccer, what are peoples opinions of how much of a factor this will be to the German team?There is a perception that Germans are very rule-abiding. That's not entirely correct, they just wait for the payoff matrix for rule-breaking to be favourable :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Look it in this perspective http://nesncom.files...gif?w=640&h=360 To jump so with full speed into the player and hit him with the foot in the neck ist still by far more dangerous as what Marchesio did.No need to link to the gif, I already told you I saw the video. Now you are even changing your position from "he did the same" and "it is just as dangerous" to far more dangerous? WTF? You are also ignoring my question: do you think Balotelli wanted to hurt his opponent as Marchisio? To me, the two things are quite different since Balotelli was more like "I wanna get the ball! I see this guy in the way but I wanna get the ball no matter what!!!" and he saw that he will get it, he even tried to lessen the impact by relaxing his ankles and kneed and the impact was with the top side of his foot and his shin, not his studs. It's not "the same" and definitely not worse. Marchisio said the opposite: "I wanna break this guy's legs! I see that the ball is going in the other direction but I don't care, I just wanna rough him up." The intent is completely different and the force of the impact also bigger. Also even kicking someone in the head at full force (which Balotelli did NOT do, not by a long shot, his ankles were not strained and it was not a direct hit - I exaggerated above about just a "touch" but it was a collision, not a hit) is not as dangerous as stomping in the knees. I said this is not kickboxing but there you have people kicking each other everywhere all the time in the head and they're just fine, but they don't really stamp because that would be dangerous (and they have no studded shoes). It is very easy to break any joint by putting pressure from the side, especially if the foot is tense). edit: spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I can agree on one point for sure. Balotelli's play was reckless, but Marchisio's was deliberate. I guess this makes a difference in the ref's call. It took me several viewings of the Marchisio play, in slow motion even, to realize this. The ref on the other hand, saw it only once at full speed, from perhaps a less ideal vantage point, and spotted it. So they do get things right, probably most things, its just the ones they miss that get the most attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 http://bitemangame.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 A similar foul on Belgium just before half, also drawing red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 167 people in Norway bet that Suarez would bite during the WC. The odds were 1/175 heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 no doubt, THE GOAL of the tournament.perfect moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/NxkYTwE.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Dempsey scores; Michael Bradley solves the problems with his first touch; lolbelgium Big Macs 2 - Waffles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 167 people in Norway bet that Suarez would bite during the WC. The odds were 1/175 heh On 2+2, the biggest poker forum online, a guy posted that he bet the equivalent of 10 bucks on it for fun before the WC. Pretty epic. I think he only got 150:1 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Well, sad day for them, since it turns out that Suarez only slipped and hit his head on Chiellini's shoulders. :) https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-rio-report/fell-hit-face-chiellini-shoulder-says-suarez-140332035.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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