Would You Pre-Empt

[eagles123]

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I don't remember the exact hand* but it was something like this - certainly the shape is right and the HCP are all in the right place

 

IMPS

 

do you open this hand if so with what.

 

 

 

*the reason I don't remember the exact hand is because my BBO partner took one look at what I had done and booted me :D

 

 

Thanks,

 

Eagles

[Trinidad]

Depends on who I am playing with. I would either pass or bid 3♣. I would not open at the 1 level.

 

Rik

[helene_t]

3♣ for me but 1♣ is ok also if you play a system with 1♣ showing clubs. Pass if playing with a partner who can't take a joke.

[Cyberyeti]

3♣ for me but 1♣ is ok also if you play a system with 1♣ showing clubs. Pass if playing with a partner who can't take a joke.

 

What she said, although I don't like it so much as you have a bit too much, you may be dialling too many undoubled opposite a 4432 10 count where nobody's making anything meaningful.

 

If the honours are reversed in the minors I can open a weak 4+ card 2♦.

[hotShot]

I would preempt with hands like that on the 2 level.

But I cant do that with minors because 2m has different meanings in my preferred system.

 

I do want 6+ card in a suit for a 3level preempt.

[PhilKing]

Probably a strong NT if available and 1♣ if playing Acol. Definitely not 3♣!

[hrothgar]

Probably a strong NT if available and 1♣ if playing Acol. Definitely not 3♣!

 

3♣ is too rich for my blood.

 

The club honors are too weak and the hand has too much defense.

 

I would far rather preempt 3♣ on

 

♠ xx

♥ xxx

♦ xxxx

♣ KQJT

[Fluffy]

2NT minors is fine also, I don't care much about 3♣ either.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

#1 no, I would not, it is not by cup of coffee

#2 it is not uncommon as you see from the responses, but with a unknown partner it will do more harm than good

 

#3 while I understand the logic being submin openings in a major, although I am not doing it either,

the logic in opening submin with a minor is not clear to me, it will at most work against weak players

if you go for a complete psych, like a strong NT, why not, since penalty doubles against strong NT are rare,

such a move makes sense, and even if you get to 3NT, they wont double you often.

Similar a 3C opening bid, takes away room ..., problem partner cant judge sensible, if it its worth to sac

against 4M with 5m.

#4 Finnally: Before you start psyching look at the rest of your game.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[NickRW]

2NT for minors maybe, at these colours and seat, if available. The option of a psyched strong NT is possible, though my current partner probably wouldn't see the funny side and I wouldn't actually do it for that reason.

[whereagles]

Assuming north passed with 0-11 or thereabouts, it is technically incorrect to preempt 3♣ on this hand. (And believe me, I've been there before.) The main reason is there's a considerable likelyhood opponents will not have game (you have 9 HCP, pard rates to have 8-10). Thus, a 3♣ bid runs a very serious risk of landing you on the wrong part-score.

 

It would be ok to open a weak 2♣, though. This is because if you open 1♣ most of the time auction will continue

 

1♣ pass 1M pass

2♣

 

or

 

1♣ 1x 1y/dbl pass

2♣

 

So by starting a weak 2♣ you are where you'd be most of the time.

[wank]

it's a perfect hand for acol. you can bid a genuine club suit for the lead at a sensible level, i.e. 1.

 

you have no reason to think opponents have a game. breathe deeply and calm down.

[the_clown]

1♣>pass>3♣.

 

Would be a lot closer if I had KJ109x instead of AJ10xx

[wank]

oops double post

[gszes]

thank goodness this isn't in the novice section++++

 

In the long run you will probably suffer considerably less if you

open 1c vs a 3c preempt since your partner will rarely ever

have a strong reason to sacrifice at these colors opposite a hand

(yours) that in no way shape or form is offensive (hmm let me

rethink that description) in nature.

 

The 1c opening has the merit of being a reasonable lead director

and even though IMHO it will lead to far too many negative scores

due to overbidding being not vulnerable will take away a lot of

the pain.

 

Let's be honest here 1c takes up essentially zero bidding space-- if

your suit was spades or even hearts at least there are some preemptive

benefits (but with the majors you might have a easy weak 2 bid).

 

If your "thing" in bridge is making sure to keep your current streak

of never passing when it is your turn alive 1C will probably not be

the most harmful thing you will do during the rest of the streak but

it is unlikely to win accolades from many of your future partners

though it might change a few minds if it works often enough.

[eagles123]

Thanks folks, I did open 3C and predictably it went X ppp :@

 

I only got a small look at dummy but it was like 7 spades and 10 pts or something lol

 

my bbo turkish expert p(aren't they all) then proceeded to lecture me about having to have a 7 card suit to pre-empt :D

 

anyway cheers all I see that it was probably a mistake

 

Eagles

[Cyberyeti]

Thanks folks, I did open 3C and predictably it went X ppp :@

 

I only got a small look at dummy but it was like 7 spades and 10 pts or something lol

 

my bbo turkish expert p(aren't they all) then proceeded to lecture me about having to have a 7 card suit to pre-empt :D

 

anyway cheers all I see that it was probably a mistake

 

Eagles

 

Sounds like partner should have opened to stop you doing something like that :)

[kenberg]

I would pass w/o a second thought. Some might say this is w/o a first thought. My logic goes like this: If the opponents can bid and make 4M, I doubt that opening 3♣ will stop them, and I doubt that opening 1♣ will slow them down at all. Further, I may well have some defense. It's not at all clear that I want to encourage partner to bid 5♣ or that I want to play in any number of clubs. So I pass.

 

As to booting you, well, most players who do this have a greatly exaggerated view of their own ability. People differ, that's life.

[kuhchung]

man i feel old. would pass.

[Bbradley62]

anyway cheers all I see that it was probably a mistake

I don't think it was a mistake at all. And it looks like you sufficiently pissed off p that after booting you he redealt the board :P

[the hog]

Pretty obvious pass. I would not have booted you but had you been a permanent pd you would now be on probation.

[chasetb]

I've seen it once on a 5-card suit and a hand similar to that, and it worked. I've seen a few times on pretty weak 6-baggers, and it usually doesn't work. Honestly, I would laugh if you did it with me, because it's for fun, but unless trying to swing I don't recommend it.

 

If you had a good 6-card suit like KJTxxx or better, I would consider it mandatory at these colors.

 

Boy, have I changed from a few years ago, when I wouldn't even consider 3m pre-empts on 6 when NV.

[whereagles]

x

xxx

JT9x

KQJxx

 

would be a fine 3♣ pree oppsite a passed pard and NV vs V. Lots of offense, zero defense.

[jdgalt]

Pre-empt? On 9 points and a poor 5-card suit? Are you mental?

[delplata]

WITH AN UNKNOWN PARTNER I WOULD PASS. WITH A REGULR ONE DEPENDS ON OUR AGREEMENTS. HOWEVER, I WOULD NEVER AGREE TO PREEMPT AT THE 3 LEVEL WITH 5 CARDS IN THE SUIT.