Flame Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Today most play this as 10+ no good fit. Wouldnt we in few years think of it as an oldfashion waste of bid, just like we think of doubles which used to be for penalty ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 What's your alternative, you with the magic mirror ;) Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted February 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 just like i dont play 1c (1d) D as penalty, 1c (D) as looking to punishment our opponents seems right. Today ppl shift to 1c (1d) D to show hearts, 1H =spade. So on the same idea, you can play 1d-(D) RDble= hearts, 1h=spades. I made the question genral not talking about different sequences, but i think there is a big different between the chances to catch them after 1S (D) and 1C (D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 "Today ppl shift to 1c (1d) D to show hearts, 1H =spade. So on the same idea, you can play 1d-(D) RDble= hearts, 1h=spades." What does 1S show then? In other words, what are you gaining? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 "Today ppl shift to 1c (1d) D to show hearts, 1H =spade. So on the same idea, you can play 1d-(D) RDble= hearts, 1h=spades." What does 1S show then? In other words, what are you gaining? Peter Plenty! Like all transfer advances, I can make (in effect), a NFB, a mini-fitted bid for pard, or economically show a 2 suiter. And here's the best part. 1x (dbl) - pass is a 2 way action; either showing a hand that can't take a call, or a hand that plans to double the opponents later on. This puts a lot of pressure on the doubler, who may think twice about raising the responder on a 15 count. Redoubles slow the auction down for everyone, taking away some of the opportunity for higher-level penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 In equality we use this redouble as showing the next suit (a redl of spades shows notrump or cheapest unbid minor). The way it works.. 1♦-(X)-? DBL 4+ hearts, tends to be balanced (see 2C) 1H 4+ spades, tends to be balanced (see 2D) 1S Balanced unsuitable for 1NT (too strong? Wants partner to play NT, or clubs 1NT Natural, limited (see 1S) 2C 5+ hearts, stronger than dbl, more distributional 2D 5+ spades, stronger than 1H, more distributional 2H/2S Fit jumps, this time, not forcing (see 2C/2D) 2NT Really, really weak diamond raise, or GF diamond raise 3C Fit jump or sound but not forcing raise (you have to pick one) 3D Typical preemptive diamond raise 3H/3S Preemptive this time since 2H/2S available, or you can decide to play splinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 It makes some sense to use 1M X XX = penalties because 1M shows 5-cards, so responder is in a good position to evaluate whether or not the deal is a misfit. Besides, if opponent find an escape, it will be at the 2-level almost all of the time. Now compare with 1m X XX The 1m opening is 3+ cards, and therefore a bit muddy. Now responder cannot diagnose a misfit with the same certainty as after 1M X. Also, opps can now escape into a major at the 1-level, and that makes a lot of difference for penalty purposes. Thus I believe that indeed 1m X XX as penalties is a waste of bid, yes :) Even in the case of 1M X XX, I've seen people playing it as two-way: either strong or very weak 0-4 (making 1M X pass = 5-8 balanced). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 1x X XX = 10+ and at least two 4-card suits other than x. If partner can hit x and the 4th suit, they have a problem. If not, my hand is well defined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 1x X XX = 10+ and at least two 4-card suits other than x. If partner can hit x and the 4th suit, they have a problem. If not, my hand is well defined. Tend to play it like this too ! Simple and effective :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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