Moss-Bathurst Precision

[borag]

Hi we are trying to simplify our 1♣ responses as much as we can

 

Maybe I misunderstood it but does Moss-Bathurst play something like;

 

1♣

..1♦ = 0-7 hp any

..1♥ = 8-11 hp M<5

..1♠ = 8-11 hp 5+M (I know it is 8+ hp 5+♠ in meckwell lite)

..1N+ = 12+

 

Or does anyone have a simple scheme ?

[olien]

Pretty common in these partnerships to play:

 

1H - 8-11 hcp, <5♠

1S - 8+ hcp, 5+♠

1NT - 12+ hcp 5+♥

 

However, I believe that Kranyak-Demuy play that 1S is 12+ 5+M with relay continuations. Not sure what Bathurst-Moss were playing. Their partnership was a last minute arrangement, so I imagine their stuff was relatively basic in terms of meck lite.

[perko90]

Just from watching the USBC over the weekend, the descriptions for replies to 1♣ were (as I recall):

 

1♦ = 0-7

1♥ = 8-11, <5 H's

1♠ = 8-11, 5+ H's

 

I didn't observe any other responses.

[borag]

What I really wonder is how easy for meckwell lite players to find 4-4 major fits.

We are struggling with it :)

[Kungsgeten]

I play a pretty simple strong club structure, based on Carrot Club:

 

1C---

1D = most 0--7

1H = 12+ any (with exactly 12 we decide if the hand is slam friendly or not)

1S = 8--12 catch-all: no 5+ major, no 6+ minor, not 5-5 minors

1NT = 8--12, 5+ spades

2C = 8--12, 5+ hearts

2D = 8--12, 6+ clubs

2H = 8--12, 6+ diamonds

2S = 8--12, 5-5 minors

2NT = 8--12, 5-5 majors

3X = We use this as a 7 card suit with 5--7 hcp

 

After 1C--1H we use natural continuations. After 1C--1S opener may bid natural 5+ suits at the two-level or make an asking bid with 1NT:

 

1C--1S; 1NT---

2m = 5-card suit

2M = 4 card suit, balanced or 4441

2NT = Balanced, no 4 card major nor 5 card minor

 

The rest is natural, though I guess you could play 2m+1 as a relay without too much complexity:

 

1C--1S; 1NT--2C; 2D---

2M = 4 card major

2NT = 5332

3C = 4 diamonds

 

1C--1S; 1NT--2D; 2H---

2S = 4 spades

2NT = 5332

3C = 4 clubs

3D = 4 hearts

[PrecisionL]

What I really wonder is how easy for meckwell lite players to find 4-4 major fits.

We are struggling with it :)

 

1♣ opener rebids in NT at the 1- or 2-level allowing responder to show a second suit.

[Cyberyeti]

1♣ opener rebids in NT at the 1- or 2-level allowing responder to show a second suit.

 

Well he does if the next hand doesn't overcall, at some vuls I'm going to be preempting on absolute air here as we get full benefit from the strong clubbers having exchanged no suit info.

[johnu]

Well he does if the next hand doesn't overcall, at some vuls I'm going to be preempting on absolute air here as we get full benefit from the strong clubbers having exchanged no suit info.

 

I'm so terrified I think I'll give up the strong club :P

[Cyberyeti]

I'm so terrified I think I'll give up the strong club :P

 

I know it's an occupational hazard, I used to play a strong club occasionally, but I feel this method intensifies the problems when you're vul and opps aren't.

[FM75]

1♣ - 1♦(neg) - 1♥ - opener has 4 card ♥ (and perhaps ♠) (in our Cambridge ♥ variation, the rebid is either natural or a subsequent NT bid will show a balanced hand and hcp range - and does not promise a 4 card major - likely looking for NT contract or a part score which might be a major)

1♣ - 1♥ - positive and 5+♥

1♣ - 1♠ (positive, balanced no 5c M) - 1NT (right-siding NT and asking for controls)

1♣ - 1N (positive and 5+ ♠ - various asking bids available including control ask or suit quality ask (agreeing spades as trump)

1♣ - 2m (positive, if has 4 card M, the hand is (24)(52), or has 6 card minor, or (13) or worse in majors.

 

Not Moss-Bathurst, nor Meckwell, but missing 44M is pretty infrequent,

[PrecisionL]

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What I really wonder is how easy for meckwell lite players to find 4-4 major fits.

We are struggling with it :)

We (Keylime and I) struggle less with this issue because of MAFIA responses: the 1st positive response by responder shows a 4-cd Major: 1♥ (4+♠ or might be balanced 11+ with or without a 4-cd major), 1♠ (promise 4+♥), 1NT (promises 5-4 or better in the majors), or 2♣ (1 or both minors, denies a 4-cd major), and 2♦ is 8-10 balanced (May have a 4-cd major) {edited 5/30/14 & 6/8/14}.

[glen]

We (Keylime and I) struggle less with this issue because of MAFIA responses: the 1st positive response by responder shows a 4-cd Major: 1♥ (4+♠ or might be balanced 11+ with or without a 4-cd major), 1♠ (promise 4+♥), 1NT (promises 5-4 or better in the majors), or 2♣ (denies a 4-cd major).

the MAFIA responses combined with 2♦ 8-10 balanced is best of class

[Free]

the MAFIA responses combined with 2♦ 8-10 balanced is best of class

Do you have decent continuations after 1♣-2♦ 8-10 bal? These hands are very common...

[glen]

Do you have decent continuations after 1♣-2♦ 8-10 bal? These hands are very common...

the Meckwell approach is very good

[PrecisionL]

Do you have decent continuations after 1♣-2♦ 8-10 bal? These hands are very common...

Yes: 2M = SAB-3, 2NT is Transfer Stayman, and 3m = SAB-3.

[straube]

My foggy recollection of very very old Meckwell notes...

 

2H-5H

.....2S-2H

.....2N-3H442

..........3C-asks doubleton?

.....3C-4H432

.....3D-3H433

.....3H-4H333

2S-5S

.....2N-3S442

..........3C-asks doubleton?

.....3C-2S

.....3D-4S432

.....3H-3S433

.....3S-4S333

2N-asking

.....3C-hearts

..........3D-asks

...............3H-clubs

...............3S-diamonds

...............3N-3433

.....3D-spades

..........3H-asks

...............3S-clubs

...............3N-4333

...............4C-diamonds

.....3H-majors

.....3S-minors

.....3N-4m333

3m-6m

.....not 2/3/4/3/4. maybe relay for second suit?

3M-shortness, both minors

 

I think this is pretty awful. Any decent relay system will get you the entire hand pattern and the better ones will have these balanced hands as captain and allow opener to fully describe unbalanced hands..