Kortenhoef Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Too many hands seem to be dealt by BBO which are very distribution challenged and whislt these hands can be good fun, too many of them are served up as normal on BBO and it is NOT normal to get so many of these. There have been periods where several of us have realized that someone from BBO is deliberately changing the parameters of the deal source to make it so...Please let us play good bridge with normal hands.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 There have been periods where several of us have realized that someone from BBO is deliberately changing the parameters of the deal source to make it so...I very much doubt this assumption is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Too many hands seem to be dealt by BBO which are very distribution challenged and whislt these hands can be good fun, too many of them are served up as normal on BBO and it is NOT normal to get so many of these. There have been periods where several of us have realized that someone from BBO is deliberately changing the parameters of the deal source to make it so...Please let us play good bridge with normal hands.. I checked "The List" and you are on the list to get goulash hands. You should apply to get on the list for flat hands. I would also apply to get on the list for excess high card points because nobody likes to be dummy. :rolleyes: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I think you are mistaken. The hands seem very normal. The good thing about online bridge, you can call up the hands you played and check them Here are the first large bunch of hands you played on 5/15/2014 (of course this is my time, as that is how myhands pulls them up. The first one was played against lybira and liondanial. The following is a list of the most distributional hand at the table and your shape. Looks perfectly normal to me. Feel free to check these or other hands and see if you REally think they are not random. 4432 biggest *you were 43335431 biggest *you were 5332 (note you changed table)6421 biggest *you were 44325422 biggest *you were 5332 (note you changed table)6331 biggest *you were 44324432 biggest *you were 4432 as was everyone5431 biggest *you were 44325431 biggest *you were 44325431 biggest *you were 54317411 biggest *you were 53325521 biggest *you were 54316421 biggest *you were 54227222 biggest *you were 7222 (note you changed tables)5521 biggest *you were 55214432 biggest *you were 44326631 biggest *you were 55215431 biggest *you were 54315521 biggest *you were 54225332 biggest *you were 44324432 biggest *you were 44326430 biggest *you were 63316322 biggest *you were 44326331 biggest *you were 54225431 biggest *you were 44326322 biggest *you were 43335431 biggest *you were 43335431 biggest *you were 54225431 biggest *you were 53325431 biggest *you were 44325431 biggest *you were 43335431 biggest *you were 4432 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmmy2 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Kortenhouf, I have noticed the hands follow a monthly cycle. And when many repeat hands with slight suit value changes happen it makes me think the hands really are being used for research by someone. The good news is wait a few days and the weird deals will get flatter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 The hands are perfectly random for all we know. People have selective perception and tend to notice more patters than there really are. The list Inquiry posted looks slightly flatter than expected with Kortenhoef getting no voids and just six singletons. But of course it is just a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I think you are mistaken. The hands seem very normal. The good thing about online bridge, you can call up the hands you played and check them Here are the first large bunch of hands you played on 5/15/2014 (of course this is my time, as that is how myhands pulls them up. The first one was played against lybira and liondanial. The following is a list of the most distributional hand at the table and your shape. Looks perfectly normal to me. Feel free to check these or other hands and see if you REally think they are not random. 4432 biggest *you were 43335431 biggest *you were 5332 (note you changed table)6421 biggest *you were 44325422 biggest *you were 5332 (note you changed table)6331 biggest *you were 44324432 biggest *you were 4432 as was everyone5431 biggest *you were 44325431 biggest *you were 44325431 biggest *you were 54317411 biggest *you were 53325521 biggest *you were 54316421 biggest *you were 54227222 biggest *you were 7222 (note you changed tables)5521 biggest *you were 55214432 biggest *you were 44326631 biggest *you were 55215431 biggest *you were 54315521 biggest *you were 54225332 biggest *you were 44324432 biggest *you were 44326430 biggest *you were 63316322 biggest *you were 44326331 biggest *you were 54225431 biggest *you were 44326322 biggest *you were 43335431 biggest *you were 43335431 biggest *you were 54225431 biggest *you were 53325431 biggest *you were 44325431 biggest *you were 43335431 biggest *you were 4432 I can understand why he is pissed off, he is always having balanced crap while everyone else is having some 5431 to kick his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Yes. Also - I notice that on some days my hands seem to average low in points relative to the other hands. This results in having to play defense all day, and try as we might, my partner and I end up with the short end of the stick when the IMPs are distributed. It's obvious to me that BBO is punishing us on random days because my partner and I play regularly together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 ...It's obvious to me that BBO is punishing us on random days because my partner and I play regularly together. I can't figure out if this is a joke or you're serious. And I'm serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I have a feeling that finesses almost always work at my local club but fail when playing online against GIB. It could be that GIB is good at giving me losing options while the players at my club give me some clues to the location of their queens which I pick up subconsciously. But most of the effect is probably just biased perception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I'm not sure but it is probably related to chemtrails. Also, there is a shortage nowadays in the central singleton generator in Geneva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 We deal random hands except when: a. in a "best hand for south" context in some robot Tsb. TD specifies deal set for his own tourney ( we don't do this for any of our own tourneys ATM)c. Table host uploads prepared/constructed deals at teaching/partnershipbidding tables The gibs tend to lead passively, they don't like to give up tricks on opening lead.. i think that given the style, hooks into opening leader will tend to fail more often than they'll work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 The gibs tend to lead passively, they don't like to give up tricks on opening lead.. i think that given the style, hooks into opening leader will tend to fail more often than they'll work?Yes good point. Didn't think about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/66440-tournament-hands/page__pid__794158#entry794158 No - the conspiracy seems to be much wider. I think it's time we had real answers! :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 One if the richest people in the world is one of our investors. He has so much money he doesn't know what to do with it, so every time someone takes a losing finesse, he invests another $10. J/K :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I can't figure out if this is a joke or you're serious. And I'm serious. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42krunner Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Too many hands seem to be dealt by BBO which are very distribution challenged and whislt these hands can be good fun, too many of them are served up as normal on BBO and it is NOT normal to get so many of these. There have been periods where several of us have realized that someone from BBO is deliberately changing the parameters of the deal source to make it so...Please let us play good bridge with normal hands.. Tell me about it! Yesterday I played for the QH to drop "eight never, nine ever" and to my shock -- Instead of the QH dropping my Ace of Hearts lost to the Ace of DOUBLE HEARTS! Fred didn't tell me he swapped the deck with one of his grandkid's games. I guess I should pay more a month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdwcheney Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I agree, someone at BBO is editing or stacking the hands. I have reported this to the ACBL Director, but they do nothing.I feel these stacked hands encourage cheating and reward bad bidding and play. But to date BBO refuses to address theproblem, or the BBO person who is doing this. I think BBO should remove them from the payroll. I would like to see ACBL stopawarding master points on BBO until there is an investigation. I mostly play ACBL Regional Tournaments, and do not see hands of this nature, andnot three or four in a row like they seem to show up on BBO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I agree, someone at BBO is editing or stacking the hands. I have reported this to the ACBL Director, but they do nothing.I feel these stacked hands encourage cheating and reward bad bidding and play. But to date BBO refuses to address theproblem, or the BBO person who is doing this. I think BBO should remove them from the payroll. I would like to see ACBL stopawarding master points on BBO until there is an investigation. I mostly play ACBL Regional Tournaments, and do not see hands of this nature, andnot three or four in a row like they seem to show up on BBO. Let's play a little game Please provide a specific description of how the hands on BBO are "fixed". After you go and do this, I'll analyze the next month worth of hands that you play and we'll see how well your claims accord with reality... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcarle Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Let's play a little game Please provide a specific description of how the hands on BBO are "fixed". After you go and do this, I'll analyze the next month worth of hands that you play and we'll see how well your claims accord with reality... Somebody needs to take a break. There is no "fix" in. What would BBO gain from it? It is in the same position as a blackjack dealer in a casino. It just collects the money. It doesn't think about who is winning or losing. It gets paid either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Tell me about it! Yesterday I played for the QH to drop "eight never, nine ever" and to my shock -- Instead of the QH dropping my Ace of Hearts lost to the Ace of DOUBLE HEARTS! Man, that is harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I agree, someone at BBO is editing or stacking the hands. I have reported this to the ACBL Director, but they do nothing.I feel these stacked hands encourage cheating and reward bad bidding and play. But to date BBO refuses to address theproblem, or the BBO person who is doing this. I think BBO should remove them from the payroll. I would like to see ACBL stopawarding master points on BBO until there is an investigation.I mostly play ACBL Regional Tournaments, and do not see hands of this nature, andnot three or four in a row like they seem to show up on BBO.Let's play a little gamePlease provide a specific description of how the hands on BBO are "fixed".After you go and do this, I'll analyze the next month worth of hands that you play and we'll see how well your claims accord with reality...Better yet, tell us what the problem is so we can analyze hands you've played recently (1200+ hands over the past several weeks), so you don't think BBO is changing their routine to avoid the problem you specify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Better yet, tell us what the problem is so we can analyze hands you've played recently (1200+ hands over the past several weeks), so you don't think BBO is changing their routine to avoid the problem you specify. I suspect that 1200 hands gives more than enough to mine to find some silly pattern I doubt that even the most paranoid would believe that BBO would change their entire dealing system just to ***** with them...Making people specify a claim before the boards get dealt is a much better way to control the experiment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I agree, someone at BBO is editing or stacking the hands. I have reported this to the ACBL Director, but they do nothing.I feel these stacked hands encourage cheating and reward bad bidding and play. But to date BBO refuses to address theproblem, or the BBO person who is doing this. I think BBO should remove them from the payroll. I would like to see ACBL stopawarding master points on BBO until there is an investigation. I mostly play ACBL Regional Tournaments, and do not see hands of this nature, andnot three or four in a row like they seem to show up on BBO. I'm not saying I am or am not responsible for the stacked hands, but if you send me $100, I will perform an exorcism on the card generator to return things to normal. For $1000, I can guarantee you that every finesse you take will work, and every suit will break normally. If you are not 100% satisfied, I will return almost half of your payment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgalt Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I visualize gremlins inside BBO's computer, rubbing their hands with glee. Only I don't notice any effect on hand distributions; they're too busy making my robot partners bid like morons. ;-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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