Bidding plan needed

[cherdano]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sht74dakqj654cak5]133|100|Scoring: IMP

1♦-(P)-1♥-(2♠)[/hv]

What is your bidding plan?

 

If you select 3♠, partner bids 4♥. How do you continue? Actually, do you?

(In case it matters, your 2♣ opening would have been forcing to 4 of a minor in this case, and your partner would expect around 9.5 tricks for it.)

 

Arend

[Chamaco]

Plan 1

 

I would open 2C, I have 9 top tricks:this is worth a GF bid.

BTW In Italy, many players using Multi include strong Minor 1-suiters into it.

 

Plan 2

 

Do we use support double ?

If so, we keep biding open for game/slam in H.

If pard shows 5+ H I will bid 5H = bid slam with good trump honors.

 

Plan 3

 

No supp X ?

I cue 3♠ and pull to 4D, hoping to hear a ♥ cue.

If pard rebids Hearts, I bid 5H = bid slam with good trump honors.

[paulg]

Some experts play a Good/Bad 2NT here to distinguish between competitive and really good hands. It works well on this hand as you can bid 3♦ to show a hand with this strength.

 

p

[whereagles]

I bid 3S, asking for stopper. If pard bids 4H now... I might bid 4S.

[flytoox]

I think you more or less show ur strength by cuebid 3S. After pd's 4H I think you should pass.

[inquiry]

This is a multi-2♦ opener for me. My bidding would have been (presumably)

 

2♦-(pass)-2♥/2♠ - (pass)

3♦

 

and life would be easy.....

 

Ok, this is a US tourney and 2♦ was not legal. Over 1♥-(2♠), I too play good bad 2NT, but that does not make 3♦ forcing and bidding just 3♦ doesn't do justice to this hand, and I may play 3♦ with four hearts icey.

 

So. for better or for worse, I will strike foward with 3♠ on the ground that this ask partner to bid 3NT with a stopper and suggest a running diamond suit. I fully expect partner to

 

1) Bid 3NT with a spade stopper.

2) Bid 4♦ with yucky hands without a spade stopper

 

So when partner bids 4♥ we can draw two conclusions. First he doesn't have a yucky hand, and second he lacks values in spades (and diamonds...)... Exclusion blackwood is no longer needed, as partner clearly lacks spade ace (or king for that matter). But I would pull 4♠ out now if that is by agreement exclusion, if not I would bid 4NT if that was blackwood here. That is, since partner showed stuff with his 4♥ rebid (again would be nice to know what an initial 2♥ instead of 1♥ by him would have been).

[mike777]

3s, lets force first.

[pclayton]

Even playing g/b 2N (which I do) this hand is wayyyy too good. Wouldn't you feel horrible if pard passes 3♦?

 

3♠ and I'll raise 4♥ to 5♥ which should focus on the trump problem.

[Double !]

wouldn't 5H ask for spade control whereas 4S/ 4H asks about quality of heart suit? You didn't promise a spade control when you bid 3S, just asked for a spade stopper.

 

 

This forum is so fantastic. So many different ideas and opinions on so many topics.

 

Now, go ahead and tell me that there's such a thing as "standard" or "standard american".

NOT!

[flytoox]

Even playing g/b 2N (which I do) this hand is wayyyy too good. Wouldn't you feel horrible if pard passes 3♦?

 

3♠ and I'll raise 4♥ to 5♥ which should focus on the trump problem.

No, I think 5H asks for spade control.

[Guest Jlall]

would bid 3S then 6D over 4H. Science. I really cant see playing in hearts with this hand

[luke warm]

well here's my dumb question of the night... is 4nt that bad (rkc for hearts)? if i'm planning on bidding 6d anyway (and i sorta am :)), why not take a peek along the way?

[inquiry]

well here's my dumb question of the night... is 4nt that bad (rkc for hearts)? if i'm planning on bidding 6d anyway (and i sorta am :)), why not take a peek along the way?

because partner might think 6♦ as choice of red slam if you sneak up on it like this.

[luke warm]

ok, maybe... i wouldn't, but i guess it's possible

[Winstonm]

Nuts. Hard hand. I don't know what I would have bid without interference, so I sure as heck don't know now. One thing I do know, though, is I'm not putting down a solid 7 card suit as dummy.

 

I don't know what our heart fit is. It looks like we are getting ready to be blasted out of our socks in spades, so I am going to bid a straightforward 5D in hopes pard will get the message that I was not quite good enough for 2C but too good to open with a preempt - meaning slam possibilties too great.

 

If he figures all that out, he will at least have an idea of what to do - look at his Aces and Kings and forget everything else.

 

WinstonM

[fred]

I am surprised nobody has really discussed the nature of the what sort of hand partner should expect for 3S and how he should bid over it. I don't think you can answer this question properly without thinking about these issues.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[luke warm]

ok, that's a fair question....

♠

♥ T74

♦ AKQJ654

♣ AK5

1♦-(P)-1♥-(2♠)

 

if i'm the heart bidder, i probably think partner is cuebidding for hearts... what can i do tho? any strength i have is in hearts (or spades)... 4s with the ace? 4h without? 4nt with good hearts?

 

i'm so used to a cue showing support that i'd think partner has good heart cards, 4 or 5 diamonds, maybe the spade ace... but what do i do with 4522? or even 3613.. this isn't an easy problem (for me anyway), which is why i might just bid 4nt...

[Guest Jlall]

3S shows either a 1 suiter in diamonds too good to bid 3D, or a heart raise (since this is a pressure auction a jump to 4H could be a sound "normal" 3H raise without interference) or a minor 2 suiter too good to bid 3C but wants to try to find 3N. First obligation is 3N with a stopper. Second obligation is to rebid hearts with 6+ hearts. Third obligation is to support diamonds with diamond support. Fourth obligation is to bid clubs with clubs. the "default bid" (3424 with no stopper) would be 4D. Over this the cuebidder can clarify his hand type. It does get messy if the responder has a slam try opposite the heart hand, but not opposite one of the minor suit hands etc. But thats life in an auction like this.

[pclayton]

wouldn't 5H ask for spade control whereas 4S/ 4H asks about quality of heart suit? You didn't promise a spade control when you bid 3S, just asked for a spade stopper.

 

 

This forum is so fantastic. So many different ideas and opinions on so many topics.

 

Now, go ahead and tell me that there's such a thing as "standard" or "standard american".

NOT!

Perhaps its not universal, but when you cue and then raise to the 5 level you don't ask about the overcaller's suit. The 4♥ rebid by pard doesn't give you a world of new information, so the delayed action asks for something different; in this case trumps.

[pclayton]

I am surprised nobody has really discussed the nature of the what sort of hand partner should expect for 3S and how he should bid over it. I don't think you can answer this question properly without thinking about these issues.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

I think there's a defined subset:

 

1. All strong 3 card raises

2. Hands seeking a spade stop

3. Potentially slammish single suiters in diamonds.

 

I wouldn't think a club / diamond 2 suiter qualifies. Are we in a game force? With 1 & 3 yes; with 2 we can get out in 4♦

 

Locked away in my mental files is a quote from a MSC poll: Never cue bid if you can't control the auction later. With a 2 suiter we frequently can't extricate ourselves.

[inquiry]

I am surprised nobody has really discussed the nature of the what sort of hand partner should expect for 3S and how he should bid over it. I don't think you can answer this question properly without thinking about these issues.

Well... actually, I described how I play it and how responder should bid over it. I expect either

 

1) 3NT with a stopper (or higher if really good)

2) 4D with bad hands, even without support

3) other bids show extra values

 

Like justin, when i cue-bid at three level like this about our suits, it is either super suit of my own looking for 3NT or hand GF fit for partner too good for immediate jump to game. You want a hand, the first case is the hand in this problem, the second case is a robost 19 point hand with good four card fit.

 

Ben