cherdano Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 [hv=n=st752hkt9432d76c8&w=sh76dqj543caqjt72&e=saqj3h85dt982ck64&s=sk9864haqjdakc953]399|300|The contract is 4♠ by NS.[/hv]Would you like to declare or defend? Please state if it depends on the direction. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Declare! I like to make my contracts when trumps are 4-0 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 I would like to defend, and no, it does not depend upon which direction. Maybe I could defend against Free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 lol, I forgot to mention I like to declare with the south hand most... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 (edited) opps changed my mind again....I better not give any answer till ill get my sleeping time. Edited February 14, 2005 by Flame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 not sure, do we play double dummy ?Yes, I meant it as a double dummy problem. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Declare, either direction. You can get two club ruffs, and finesse the SK, so you lose a club and two spades. If not double dummy, no chance to make. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpefritz Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Defend using standard defense. I don't care who declares -- N,S,E, or W. 4S is going down ;>) as long as we lead (suit deleted). fritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 double dummy? Declare. just be careful with spade spots. (And, if I screw it up [highly likely], partner can always says gtp just before leaving the table.) But, I think I just see a club and 2 spade losers. OK, what trap am I missing on this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 double dummy? Declare. just be careful with spade spots. (And, if I screw it up [highly likely], partner can always says gtp just before leaving the table.) But, I think I just see a club and 2 spade losers. OK, what trap am I missing on this hand? You have only 3 losers, but sadly you have only 9 winners.... ♦ out.. you win duck club (as good as any, but if you cash second diamond, see alsternative). diamond out, you win (or if you had cashed a diamond, a heart back to you. Ruff a club. heart to your hand Ruff a club Spade = they play queen... see? you lose control you will lose 3♠ and a minor, there is no way to get teh timing right. You might try to give up a heart ruff... and use dummy heart as "trump substitute... let's continue normally... You win spade king, and ruff you last club. Now you lead a spade. They win ace, and force you to ruff. You are now down to same number of turmps. If you play on hearts, they ruff.. if you play a spade, they win, and force you to ruff a diamond, setting up their spade 3.... there is no way to avoid losing control. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Of course, Ben is right. Took us a while to find this out, even though we knew the result (as this was printed out on the hands record of this computer dealt tournament hand). If not double dummy, no chance to make.I am not quite sure I agree with this, say on a club lead. Isn't it most natural to try to ruff two clubs, and take the double finesse in spades? Same if you get a diamond lead, and don't get a diamond back after ducking a club.However, several good players went down by playing small to the K in spades (after having ruffed the first club), which I don't quite understand. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 hmmmm Didn't South have ♥AQ3 originally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 hmmmm Didn't South have ♥AQ3 originally? With ♥AQJ in the South hand the contract can't make on a diamond lead. Give the jack to dummy in exchange for a small one, and the contract makes on any lead. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 hmmmm Didn't South have ♥AQ3 originally? With ♥AQJ in the South hand the contract can't make on a diamond lead. Give the jack to dummy in exchange for a small one, and the contract makes on any lead. RolandI think you can give it to defenders as well? Anyway, I am confident South always had the ♥J. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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