Deal #33

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You are South and third seat. Imps. Unfavorable. West overcalls 1H suction. If available, East bids 2C as pass or correct.

 

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Z-T bids this...

 

1C (1H) P (2C) 16+ (Suction), 0-7 (pass/correct)

dbl P 3C P takeout (minors) cue

3S P P P natural

 

Apparently the 3C bid did not promise a rebid.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

what is wrong with 4S (or 3NT), instead of 3S?

 

3C should show eq. length in the majors and max. for the bidding so far,

which makes it 4-7.

South never showed add. values, so for all North knowes, the partnership

may have a combined 22-23 count, with a 4-3 fit, the 4333 shape does not

improve the North hand either.

 

I prefer 4S to 3NT, but 3NT would be the better bid given the concrete hand.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Free]

2NT-3NT (19-20 bal ; signoff)

pass

[yunling]

1♠(standard)-1NT(various, F1)

2♣(15+)-2♠(nat weak)

3NT

[akhare]

2NT-3NT (19-20 bal ; signoff)

pass

 

+1 :D.

 

Playing P as 0-7 seems a bit odd -- what is X promise?

[straube]

+1 :D.

 

Playing P as 0-7 seems a bit odd -- what is X promise?

 

IDK and a bit off topic but I do know they play 1C (1S) dbl as GF hearts...which I think is very poor.

[awm]

1♣ (16+) - (1♥ suction) - 1♠ (balanced or diamonds, no 4♠) - (2♣ pass/correct)

Dbl (t/o or extras) - 2♠*

4♠

 

*The 2♠ bid here is extremely descriptive, since responder has denied four spades. This should show three spades to an honor, and by inference a balanced hand (else would have a suit to bid). Since balanced GF has a different path this is known to be 5-8 and opener has no reason to look for slam.

 

Conceivably responder could've tried 2nt (natural) or even pass over 2♣X, but they seem inferior.

[straube]

1♣ (16+) - (1♥ suction) - 1♠ (balanced or diamonds, no 4♠) - (2♣ pass/correct)

Dbl (t/o or extras) - 2♠*

4♠

 

*The 2♠ bid here is extremely descriptive, since responder has denied four spades. This should show three spades to an honor, and by inference a balanced hand (else would have a suit to bid). Since balanced GF has a different path this is known to be 5-8 and opener has no reason to look for slam.

 

Conceivably responder could've tried 2nt (natural) or even pass over 2♣X, but they seem inferior.

 

I'd been wondering whether your double of 2C would be takeout or GF relay (since it coincides with your relay ask). What are your rules for when you may relay after they steal your relay ask? For example..

 

1C-1H (1S) ?

1C-1N (2C) ?

1C-2D (2H) ?

 

What are your doubles and passes?

[awm]

We have decided to bid naturally in these auctions rather than trying to relay (except over opponents double).

[rbforster]

Silent Club:

 

1♣-(1♥)-X-(2♣) strong; suction; balanced 5+ HCP no long suit; spade tolerance, club preference to diamonds

X-(p)-2♥-(p) takeout or extras; stuck for a bid (or 2NT)

2♠-3♠ natural extras; raise

4♠-P

 

It's hard to judge all the inferences for opener on the auction. Given partner doubled, should advancer pass to suggest playing in 1♥ with 5, or bid 1♠ or pass instead pushing to 2♣? Hard to know how these people bid, when, arguably, overcaller doesn't really have his bid either. On the lay of the cards and a trump lead against 2♣X, they're only getting 3 tricks (♣♣♥) before partner draws their trump and we run the pointed suits.

[PrecisionL]

C3: Copious Canape Club

 

1♣(16+) - (1♥) - X (5-7 no good suit) - 2♣ -

3♠ - p - 4♠ - p - p - p

 

 

[Lord Molyb]

North opens in my system.

 

1♣ - 2♠

3♠ - 4♠

 

1♣ = 0-10, 4+ clubs

2♠ = Very nearly forcing, natural

[Kungsgeten]

Pass 2000

 

North "opens" with a forcing pass:

 

pass-1♣; [0--7 or 17+; 0--7 or 17+]

(1♥)-pass-(2♣)-2♠; [pass is 0--7; 2♠ is natural strong and not forcing]

3♠-4♠;

 

The above case is if they play suction in this sequence.

 

Playing Dubbelklubba (Swedish Club) we would probably have the same sequence.

Instead of bidding 2♠ south may make a take-out double, if this seems better.

[antonylee]

For Polish clubbers opener probably needs to rebid 2S or 2N, which will lead to playing 3S or 3N... unclear.

[whereagles]

Two-way pass:

 

2NT 3NT :)

 

2NT = 18-20

3NT = who cares about 5 card stayman?

[Zelandakh]

It seems a little unfair to include misunderstandings as your system sequence. It seems to me that South thought 3♠ was forcing and North did not. Presumably they decided after the hand what the correct system continuation should have been.

 

For the pass after the double my guess is that they play system on, so X would be the same as 1♣ - 1♥. This is not optimal but nice and simple to throw in at the beginning while the rest of the system gets built.

 

P - 1♣ = 15-17 nat/bal or 18+ any

(1♥) - P = most non-GF hands (yes I know this is rubbish - see above)

... - (2♣) - X = to

3♣ = art GF (passing is also an idea)

... - 3♠ = nat

4♠