Fluffy Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=s82hqt8532dkq92c5&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1c(16+%20any)1s2h(5-7%205+%20%21h)2s3s4s]133|200[/hv] To sumarize, partner opens strong 1♣, and then makes a slam try, you have underbid the previous round when you could have bid a 3♥ showing 8+. How are you going to catch up now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 If 3♠ is really a slam try with hearts agreed, I'll Keycard my way to 6♥. We might have two spade losers, but it seems unlikely with the opponents bidding all the way to 4♠ at adverse (though I'd do the same at any vulnerability). Is it really playable to use 3♠ as a slam try? What would he do if he wanted me to bid 3NT with a spade stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Is it really playable to use 3♠ as a slam try? What would he do if he wanted me to bid 3NT with a spade stop? Pd bids 3 NT if he has stopper, no need to ask him immediately when the bidding is at 2 level only. N can dbl or bid his own suit at 3 level. So 3♠ is about hearts imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I don't see why 3♠ is a slam try in hearts. I assume that we haven't forced to game, so what would 3m have been over 2♠? Sounds like it has to be non-forcing and could be on a 17 count with a 6 card club suit, for example. Therefore, unless one wants to use the 4 level as a forcing bid, which sounds awful to me, 3♠ is a generic game force, asking partner to make the call that most combines perseveration of bidding space with description of hand. Thus 3N with a stopper is always going to the first choice. However, I see that our system is, to my eyes, weird anyway: we had to bid 3♥!!! to show a natural game force over 1♠. Wow. I know that I would be stretching to interfere if by a simple 1♠ overcall I can have the opps willingly destroy 2 entire levels of bidding while exchanging virtually no limiting information. If 3♠ DID agree hearts, then I have a huge hand. Can I infer a spade control? I don't think so, at least not sufficient certainty to keycard. I think I cue diamonds on general principles: I cue where I live for now. Over 5♠ I cue 6♣. If partner knows I don't cue shortness 1st, this should work out ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 5c P has invited slam opposite 5-7 and 5 heartsand I am max + 1 heart have a side singletonbutttttttttttttttttt 2 stinking small spades. 5d looks like a normal bid (where I live) butarbitrarily bypasses showing a club control whichcould be costly same hand but KQx xx in minors. 4n takes charge with no spade control and seems wishful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 I'm going to pass and wait for pard to clarify what he's got. Note: after the strong club is overcalled, it might be better that suit bids are the GF variant. Getting preempted on 25+ with no suits shown is annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Partner just had all keycards ♠Ax♥AKJx♦A10xx♣A10x diamonds 3-2 so the top contract is 7♦. Partner showed his trust in me when he bid 6♥ over my keycard ask :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 If diamonds are 3-2 and they aren't getting a heart ruff we are getting 4♠ like 1100 here? Who bids like this? I'd pass and pull x to 4N. Hard to see how I can have a better 2♥ call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 East had a diamodn Heart void Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Partner just had all keycards ♠Ax♥AKJx♦A10xx♣A10x diamonds 3-2 so the top contract is 7♦. Partner showed his trust in me when he bid 6♥ over my keycard ask :P East had a diamodn void So which is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 So which is it? i expect fluffy just meant 7d only requires diamonds 3-2, hence it's the best, albeit failing, contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 East had a diamodn void So 6♥ goes off on the diamond ruff, prize for 6N at the result merchants' ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Maybe East had a heart void instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Csaba is right, East had a heart void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I can't figure out how to bid 7 on this. I guess we will stop at 6. Perhaps 6♦ after 5♦. Without the Overcalls, north may reach 7♦ by precision trump asking finding out 6 card ♥ and side suit asking finding out ♦KQxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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