eagles123 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=saj97ha7d63cjt985&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2c]133|200[/hv] MP scoring again teacher recommended something that I was really uncomfortable with, interested in opinions. Thanks, Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 At these colours I'd rather try for a game of our own instead of trying to get them down 4 at the 2-level. Unless that double shows both Majors I think I'm fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Double looks totally normal at these colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dude Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I pass without much hesitation, matchpoints makes the decision easier. There's no guarantee we have game, particularly on a misfit-ish hand. Your hand is not well-suited for 3NT - the most likely game - I'll take the sure 300-500. Besides the auction isn't over, if partner reopens with something other than X we will have to opportunity to get excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Pass, despite the colors I love the spots of my clubs, easy lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 At mps, frequency considerations argue for the pass, hoping to convert a reopening double (and hoping they can't scramble to 2♥), since we rate to have partscore values more often than game values. We are always beating 2♣ x'd more than the value of any partscore, and so passing rates to win more often than does doubling now. If partner passes it out, then he has a bad hand with unexpected club length, arguing further that we can't make even a high-scoring partscore, and maybe our +100 or +150 will be good enough. Finally, if he takes a bid (double and pass are both calls, not bids), we can try for 3N...we aren't finding spades unless he bids them). At imps, the size of our game score is a factor, but we rate to be +500 on most hands on which we have a play for game, so even then we are losing only 3 imps or so, and meanwhile we rate to win big on a lot of layouts, especially where game fails. So I pass and hope to be able to lead the club J against 2♣ x'd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I don't mind either double or pass.If I double, I'll have to bid 2NT over partner's 2-level rebid (unless he bids spades, of course). Given I'm doing that, I might as well just pass 2C and play for a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Pass seems better. Dbl might get messy later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Since it is not very often that Responder can be 4-4 in the Majors, you can confidently Neg-DBL using the following ( not widely used ) treatment:2H = 4+ cards2S = 5+ cardsDBL = 4 cards ♠ and says "nada about ♥" . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I'm uncomfortable. Partner's most likely hand is a strong NT, and it's going to be hard to catch up with the 600s. Of course, partner's other likely hand is ♦AKJxxx and a card; if it's not a heart card, we're either +600 or -3 or 400 depending on how the diamonds behave. So, at MPs, how many auctions are going to go 1NT-p to you (likely a few, if they play variable NT)? How many auctions are going to go 1NT-(2♣ nat)? If a lot (as it is with me), then I pretty much have to try for my game, and hope I guess right. At IMPs, yeah, I think I'm happy taking +500 back; I think I'd be even happier to take +300 back, because it's quite possible partners went plus as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Good arguments for both pass and double. If you are going to pass do not hesitate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Since it is not very often that Responder can be 4-4 in the Majors, you can confidently Neg-DBL using the following ( not widely used ) treatment:2H = 4+ cards2S = 5+ cardsDBL = 4 cards ♠ and says "nada about ♥" .To say 'not widely used' is a massive underbid. Leaving aside other considerations, how many hcp does one need to bid 2♥ to show 4+ hearts? How many hcp to bid 2♠? This method seems to combine all of the bad features of normal negative doubles and negative free bids without offering much by way of compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 [hv=pc=n&s=saj97ha7d63cjt985&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2c]133|200| MP scoring again teacher recommended something that I was really uncomfortable with, interested in opinions.[/hv] Good arguments for both pass and double. If you are going to pass do not hesitate. IMO Pass = 10, 2N = 9, Double = 8, heeding Wackojack's advice to pass in tempo. Presumably you are still playing 4-card majors with majors first, making it less likely that a 1♦ opener has a 4 card major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted April 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 again the teacher wins support! He was adamant that pass was right and I was so reluctant - I just saw P with a 4351 15 count or whatever where pass was a disaster. But your arguments have convinced me :) thanks folks, Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Even if pard has 15 or so, it will be hard to setup your suits due to bad breaks. You'd need to find pard with 16-17 to have a good game on, and with that hand and short clubs, he will certainly act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Agree with others' pass, but there's no way I'm doing it in tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I just saw P with a 4351 15 count or whatever where pass was a disaster. thanks folks, Eagles That's a textbook reopening double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 That's a textbook reopening double. Yes, that's his point. He's worried about +300/+500 against his +620 in 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Pass, this does not qualify for double, plus I expect to become a happy camper when partner re-opens double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Yes, that's his point. He's worried about +300/+500 against his +620 in 4S. Ah, oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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