Antrax Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 He's all over the book of Job. Can you read Hebrew BTW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 He's all over the book of Job. Can you read Hebrew BTW?Thanks for this. I can barely read it (I need a dictionary when doing so). I did a Google search on your reply and came up with this, Do Jews believe in Satan? Quote:In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong. This is also how I understand this being, nothing more than a metaphor. I believe you guys have got this exactly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Thanks for this. I can barely read it (I need a dictionary when doing so). I did a Google search on your reply and came up with this, Do Jews believe in Satan? Quote:In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination the yetzer hara that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong. This is also how I understand this being, nothing more than a metaphor. I believe you guys have got this exactly right.Of course the god portrayed in Job (and in your reference) is a complete asshole, not worthy of worship by anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Roughly I think of "race" as something you are born into and cannot opt out of, "religion" you may be born into but you have options as you mature. I wouldn't want to push this too hard or far, but that's a starting point for me.I was going to suggest that the ethnicity should be called "Hebrew", while "Jewish" refers to the religion. But I did some googling and couldn't find any support for this distinction. It appears that "Jewish" can refer to ethnicity, nationality, or religion, and the distinction comes from context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Of course the god portrayed in Job (and in your reference) is a complete asshole, not worthy of worship by anyone.As opposed to the god who asked Abraham to sacrifice his son? Not to mention keeping Sarah barren for most of her life, only letting her become pregnant after Abraham took her handmaiden as his mistress and had Ishmael. The god of the Old Testament is not a nice guy. He's more like a Mafia don -- you worship him because you don't want to be on his bad side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 I can understand, sort of, the need for Israel to decide this person is a Jew, this other person is not. Quite. Otherwise they would be forced to extend basic human rights to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Quite. Otherwise they would be forced to extend basic human rights to everyone. More that they'd have to let a lot more people in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Quite. Otherwise they would be forced to extend basic human rights to everyone.Don't go there. You might want to compare the human rights record of Israel against every country located within 1000 miles of them. And be careful of the sources of your information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 The theology expressed in Job is indeed difficult to discuss and understand. Book of Job From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Book of Job (/ˈdʒoʊb/; Hebrew: אִיוֹב Iyob) is one of the Writings (Ketuvim) of the Hebrew Bible, and the first poetical book in the Christian Old Testament.[1] Addressing the theme of God's justice in the face of human suffering - or more simply, "Why do the righteous suffer?"[2] - it is a rich theological work, setting out a variety of perspectives.[3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Don't go there.I'm willing to go there. Have you seen the latest attempt to allow the country to legally discriminate between Arab Israelies based on their religion? Can you read Hebrew sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I'm willing to go there. Have you seen the latest attempt to allow the country to legally discriminate between Arab Israelies based on their religion? Can you read Hebrew sources? Again why only quote part and out of context?posters really need to stop doing this. Pls quote in full Don't go there. You might want to compare the human rights record of Israel against every country located within 1000 miles of them. And be careful of the sources of your information-------------- You choose to ignore more than half the post and thus lose context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 dup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Do you seriously find it difficult to look at the top of your screen when reading a post? I was replying to the next-to-last post in the thread, do you think people would've forgotten what it said by the time they got to mine, 2 posts below it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 bbo seems to dup all posts so I will stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Do you seriously find it difficult to look at the top of your screen when reading a post? I was replying to the next-to-last post in the thread, do you think people would've forgotten what it said by the time they got to mine, 2 posts below it? Clearly you do not understand basic English. fair enough You replied to Art's post...as I quoted you in full. You did not quote Art in full.In fact you missed his main point-- To put it in the American vernacular: 1) two wrongs don't make a right otoh 2) the constitution is not a suicide pact -------------------- To wade into an intractable issue my take: You have a tiny population religion with great economic/tech/other power vs a huge, really huge population religion with demographics on its side. All over a tiny piece of land with a long, vivid, religious history. I don't see a solution that is not one State rather than two states but....--------------- I certainly don't envision a future without any religion or faith in a greater power than mankind.---Of course if you accept evolution...mankind evolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 How do you guys currently observe the Day of Atonement now that the Levites are inactive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 At the risk of derailing the thread :) The thing I like most about Satan is how in the basic Christian worldview he is a supernatural force, battling a larger supernatural force (God), through our day-to-day decisions. It seems to me quite difficult to resist supernatural temptation but of course we have the supernatural help of God. In effect we are all puppets in an eternal intergalactic tug-of-war. But if atheists say 'I don't believe any of this is true,' many Christians would be astonished that we can get up in the morning knowing that our decisions are made by atoms in our body and not by either one of the supernatural warlords. Of course there is free will, too, they would add, in the same way as being threatened simultaneously by two nuclear armies you could take free decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Don't go there. You might want to compare the human rights record of Israel against every country located within 1000 miles of them. And be careful of the sources of your information. I'd take Greece or either part of Cyprus, but only just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 that we can get up in the morning knowing that our decisions are made by atoms in our body and not by either one of the supernatural warlords. Of course there is free will, too, they would add, in the same way as being threatened don't even get me started about spooky action at a distance how tiny particles at the other end of the universe effect and affect your body :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Don't go there. Amen You might want to compare the human rights record of Israel against every country located within 1000 miles of them.You said don't go there but you went yourself, so.. Since when the measures of human rights started to be defined OK or not OK by how better (or worse) you weigh on the scale compared to your neighbors? A regime or a country or a religion either violates or does not violate human rights, it is universal. FYI USA has borders with Mexico, especially with JUAREZ/MEXICO http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif And be careful of the sources of your information. Well...it is ironic to say this, when our own sources just sent this country to a war, with the claim of WOMD, which then later they tried to spin it to ties with Al-Qaeda which turned out to be a huge BS and then finally found its name "operation freedom!" causing too many people losing their homes, jobs, lives including their own soldiers, leaving behind a huge mess, economy, disabled people both mentally and physically. If I were you I would neither be annoyed nor be careful by sources of any kind who claims there are/maybe human right violations but rather be careful with the sources that may end up sending your son, grandson, yourself, your friends or relatives to a war based on complete BS. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 At the risk of derailing the thread :) This would be a sin. And yes, Mike, I realize I only quoted part of the post. Another sin. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. To ruin an old joke "Oh mother you ruin everything" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Re atoms and free will, see Tuesday's SMBC: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140422.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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