Judaism 101

[32519]

Sorry. My bad. I will get right on it.

Here’s where you can start for a quick win-win for all.

 

Between your most revered rabbi’s and the Vatican, there are a handful of uncorrupted books and letters which make up the New Covenant. Get these rabbi’s to place those uncorrupted documents into the public domain after translating them properly (at least into English, the universal language) for us non-Jews, the goyim. Then take up the torch and come and teach us about your God.

 

Here is just one example of how clueless us non-Jews, the goyim are. It comes from Romans 1:1 from the Orthodox Jewish Bible:

From Sha'ul, an eved of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua, summoned to be a Shliach, set apart for the Besuras HaGeulah of Hashem,

 

The English equivalent should read: From Sha’ul, a bond-servant of the Master, the anointed king Yehoshua, summoned to be an emissary, set apart for the announcement of Yahweh’s redemption,

 

But this is how it reads in nearly every English translation: Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,

 

The Orthodox Jewish Bible makes 100% better reading!

 

The fact that we (the non-Jews, the goyim) have literally dozens of English translations of documents which originated at the hands of Jews desperately trying to get a proper understanding of your God, must surely be obvious to you guys that its time to side with the Messianic Jews and come and teach us.

 

Now get cracking with your contribution to this!

[mike777]

What does offshoot mean?

 

 

everything is an offshoot of something else I assume, so what is your point

 

do you have proof that "Judaism 101"

 

is not an offshoot?

 

 

 

 

offshoot

 

Houghton Mifflin

 

n.noun

 

1.Something that branches out or derives its existence or origin from a particular source.

 

 

2.A branch, descendant, or member of a family or social group.

 

 

3.A lateral shoot from the main stem of a plant.

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I have to ask what the hell is an uncorrupted book or letter and what standard of measurement do you use?

[diana_eva]

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(wasn't a meme much shorter and more effective, Diana?)

 

I'm afraid nothing is effective in this case.

[gordontd]

Between your most revered rabbi’s and the Vatican, there are a handful of uncorrupted books and letters which make up the New Covenant. Get these rabbi’s to place those uncorrupted documents into the public domain after translating them properly (at least into English, the universal language) for us non-Jews, the goyim.

Have you ever thought of a career as a greengrocer?

[Cyberyeti]

OK, native american creation myth.

 

"In the beginning was only Tepeu and Gucumatz (Feathered Serpent). These two sat together and thought, and whatever they thought came into being. They thought Earth, and there it was. They thought mountains, and so there were. They thought trees, and sky, and animals etc, and each came into being. But none of these things could praise them, so they formed more advanced beings of clay. But these beings fell apart when they got wet, so they made beings out of wood, but they proved unsatisfactory and caused trouble on the earth. The gods sent a great flood to wipe out these beings, so that they could start over. With the help of Mountain Lion, Coyote, Parrot, and Crow they fashioned four new beings. These four beings performed well and are the ancestors of the Quiché In the beginning was only Tepeu and Gucumatz (Feathered Serpent)."

 

source http://www.crystalinks.com/nativeamcreation.html

[hrothgar]

I was searching for some information on the RigVeda and ran across the following:

 

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/12-04-25/

 

1. Looks like 32519 is cribbing talking points from Dinehs D'Souza

2. There is a nice rebuttal to his whole line of argument

 

The author seizes on many of the same examples that we have and also correct's 32519's timeline wrt Egypt

[gwnn]

The Jews were not captives in Egypt for 431 years.

http://www.haaretz.com/were-jews-ever-really-slaves-in-egypt-or-is-passover-a-myth-1.420844

 

Or if you prefer Wikipedia:

Although the Book of Genesis and Book of Exodus describe a period of Hebrew servitude in ancient Egypt, more than a century of archaeological research has discovered nothing which could support its narrative elements— the four centuries sojourn in Egypt, the escape of well over a million Israelites from the Delta, or the three months journey through the wilderness to Sinai.[3]

[ArtK78]

It comes from Romans 1:1 from the Orthodox Jewish Bible:

Romans? From the Orthodox Jewish Bible?

 

First, I have never heard the phrase "Orthodox Jewish Bible." Second, Romans is from the New Testament. No part of the New Testament is part of Jewish theology, much less Orthodox Jewish theology.

 

The "Jewish Bible" is the Old Testament - the five books of Moses - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy (to use the common English names rather than the Hebrew names). There are additional books - Prophets (Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and The 12 Prophets) and Writings (Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah, and Chronicles). That is it, plus the oral tradition,

 

If I were to speak with an Orthodox Jew (which I rarely do) and suggest to him that Romans was part of the "Orthodox Jewish Bible" he would probably whip me.

[32519]

I have to ask what the hell is an uncorrupted book or letter and what standard of measurement do you use?

There are plenty of examples where the books and letters which make up the New Covenant have been altered. Just one example comes from Mark chapter 16. Biblical scholars are virtually unanimous in agreement that the original was torn off after verse 8 and then verses 9-20 were added in by someone else. The style of writing is inconsistent with the rest of Mark.

 

There is also plenty of evidence that the original names were deliberately changed in order to muddy who the original characters in the eye-witness accounts were. Jew and non-Jew alike need the uncorrupted books and letters to be released into the public domain by those who have them.

[32519]

Get it from the Jews themselves, The Wonder of Eternal Life.

[ArtK78]

Get it from the Jews themselves, The Wonder of Eternal Life.

Will you stop this crap? John J. Parsons, the author of this site, is not Jewish.

[mikeh]

Hey...look what happens when one feeds the troll!

 

Fortunately, I don't read the troll's stuff, because I have him on ignore, but I get segments of what he wrote because some of his feeders quote him.

 

He is quite clearly deranged, so anyone hoping to see him change his mind when his errors are pointed out is wasting his or her time, folks.

[Cyberyeti]

Hey...look what happens when one feeds the troll!

 

Fortunately, I don't read the troll's stuff, because I have him on ignore, but I get segments of what he wrote because some of his feeders quote him.

 

He is quite clearly deranged, so anyone hoping to see him change his mind when his errors are pointed out is wasting his or her time, folks.

 

I had him on ignore, but without me doing anything I now see his posts again, how do I actually make the ignore permanent ?

[gwnn]

Maybe you can use Adblock :)

[Winstonm]

I had him on ignore, but without me doing anything I now see his posts again, how do I actually make the ignore permanent ?

 

You can tell K, and K will have him deported back to his home planet. B-)

[blackshoe]

I had him on ignore, but without me doing anything I now see his posts again, how do I actually make the ignore permanent ?

I've not had any problem with the ignore function. I would check to see if he's still on ignore in my settings, and if he is report the bug to BBO. If he's not, ignore him again. If that doesn't take, again report it as a bug. Or send a PM to Ben (Inquiry).

[barmar]

I've not had any problem with the ignore function. I would check to see if he's still on ignore in my settings, and if he is report the bug to BBO. If he's not, ignore him again. If that doesn't take, again report it as a bug. Or send a PM to Ben (Inquiry).

If it's a bug, don't hold your breath waiting for a fix. We can't report it to IPS, since we're running an old, unsupported version.

 

Hopefully one of these days we'll upgrade to a recent version, but until then things are pretty much stuck the way they are.

[32519]

Judaism is an old-school religion.

Judaism is the oldest known religion, the one claiming that your God is the one who created the universe and everything in it. Some of the religions that sprung up after it adopted many of your teachings after giving them a new flavour.

 

I challenge you to come and post a link here to every religion older than, or which preceded Judaism, which also makes that claim. Hrothgar made an attempt but failed.

 

The "Jewish Bible" is the Old Testament - the five books of Moses - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy (to use the common English names rather than the Hebrew names). There are additional books - Prophets (Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and The 12 Prophets) and Writings (Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah, and Chronicles).

Your own scriptures, the "Jewish Bible" or Old Covenant, contains plenty of examples where you guys, the Jewish nation, turned your back on your own God to worship the gods of the pagan nations around you, even going so far as to sacrifice your own sons and daughters to Molech. Yet to your credit, your scribes, the guys tasked to ensure not only the preservation thereof, but also the accuracy of your scriptures, never incorporated any of these pagan beliefs into your own scriptures.

 

You guys, the Jewish nation, were chosen by Yahweh to lead all the goyim to the one and only true God. A handful of Messianic Jews have finally stepped up to the plate. What about the rest of you (including you)? Have you guys finally and forever turned your back on your own religion, your own scriptures, and your own God?

[Antrax]

Judaism is the oldest known religion

That's patently false. Without having to know anything about history, when you read the bible it explicitly mentions other, false, religions. Thus, those other religions must've predated Judaism.

[32519]

That's patently false. Without having to know anything about history, when you read the bible it explicitly mentions other, false, religions. Thus, those other religions must've predated Judaism.

You conveniently only read the part of my post which suited you. This is what I said. I have now underlined the part I am challenging you to respond to.

 

Judaism is the oldest known religion, the one claiming that your God is the one who created the universe and everything in it. Some of the religions that sprung up after it adopted many of your teachings after giving them a new flavour.

 

I challenge you to come and post a link here to every religion older than, or which preceded Judaism, which also makes that claim. Hrothgar made an attempt but failed.

Let me repeat the question for more clarity. Come and post a link here to every religion older than Judaism which claims that it is their God who created the universe and everything in it.

[32519]

Hey...look what happens when one feeds the troll! Fortunately, I don't read the troll's stuff, because I have him on ignore, but I get segments of what he wrote because some of his feeders quote him. He is quite clearly deranged, so anyone hoping to see him change his mind when his errors are pointed out is wasting his or her time, folks.

The challenge I made to Art and Antrax I extend to you as well. Here is a shortened version of it.

 

Come and post a link here to every religion older than Judaism which claims that it is their God who created the universe and everything in it.

[mike777]

On this day the holist of holy days.

 

 

Yes today is the holist of all Christian days....funny but many don't know that

 

This Sunday is the big day for Christians.

 

What makes Christ?

 

 

At the very least he is risen...today.

[blackshoe]

If it's a bug, don't hold your breath waiting for a fix. We can't report it to IPS, since we're running an old, unsupported version.

 

Hopefully one of these days we'll upgrade to a recent version, but until then things are pretty much stuck the way they are.

One would think that enough bug reports might induce you to upgrade. :)

[Antrax]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashurism#Mythology

[32519]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashurism#Mythology

Your link is to the Ancient Mesopotamian religion, which refers to the religious beliefs and practices followed by the Sumerian and East Semitic Akkadian, Assyrian, Babylonian and Chaldeans living in Mesopotamia (a region encompassing modern Iraq, Kuwait, south east Turkey and north east Syria) that dominated the region for a period of 4,200 years from the fourth millennium BCE throughout Mesopotamia to approximately the 10th century CE in Assyria.

 

Do yourself a favour and click on all the sub-links in the article to get a fuller understanding of who all these people were. Take note of how many times reference is made to the Jews as well. Then get out your Jewish Bible and start reading the five books of Moses. Take note of how many of these people appear in those five books. Take note also that some of them are actually distant relatives of yours (via Ishmael and Esau). Take note of how, even after receiving the Torah and repeated promises to obey it, rebellion soon followed when you guys started interacting with these nations. Once you have done that come and tell me which son of Isaac, Jacob or Esau, influenced the religion of the other.

 

Yet this religion disappeared in the 10th century CE (after being around for 4,200 years), swallowed up by Syriac Christianity. Your link confirms my statement in this post that it is unavoidable that every other religion will eventually be swallowed up into Messianic Judaism.