Elinescu-Wladow were stupid. You haven't found the smart cheats...

[jdeegan]

Further why the slur on Schapiro?What do you know about him that no one else does?

I can only report that, whatever the truth, at the time Boris(?) Schapiro was the fall guy. In retrospect this makes sense at least to me.

 

1. Reese, despite his prickly personality, was much respected and beloved in the bridge world.

2. He had been caught cheating red handed (no pun intended).

3. He should not, according to the powers that were, have evaded punishment. That would have encouraged cheating and, as such, had the potential to destroy international tournament bridge.

4. His partner was thus set up to take the fall, almost regardless of the truth whatever that might have been.

 

Local rumor at the time had it that he was "a shady character".

[the hog]

I can only report that, whatever the truth, at the time Boris(?) Schapiro was the fall guy. In retrospect this makes sense at least to me.

 

1. Reese, despite his prickly personality, was much respected and beloved in the bridge world.

2. He had been caught cheating red handed (no pun intended).

3. He should not, according to the powers that were, have evaded punishment. That would have encouraged cheating and, as such, had the potential to destroy international tournament bridge.

4. His partner was thus set up to take the fall, almost regardless of the truth whatever that might have been.

 

Local rumor at the time had it that he was "a shady character".

 

 

This is again incorrect. Do you know anything about this case at all? I think not.

[1eyedjack]

How can one individual "take a fall" in a cheating system the success of which relies on a conspiracy?

[Zelandakh]

Local rumor at the time had it that he was "a shady character".

I can certainly see how his sense of humour might be taken that way - his famous greeting to female players was to ask if they wanted to commit adultery, for example. He was also known for his tirades at partners and (at least) once had a TD call from the opponents to try to protect his partner from further abuse. But aside from Buenos Aires there was no other suspicion as to his ethics that I am aware of. That was enough though and there were plenty of British players who thought they were guilty, to the point that the incident is often said to have split the bridge community in England. Since I was not old enough to see it I cannot really comment on that - perhaps we have members who were on the scene in the late 60s-early 70s who can provide a more accurate picture though.

[barmar]

Only trouble is the last board was not damning and seems very weak evidence.

That's your opinion. Apparently Wold felt differently.

 

Whether he was right or not doesn't invalidate the logic.

[the hog]

That's your opinion. Apparently Wold felt differently.

 

Whether he was right or not doesn't invalidate the logic.

 

 

It certainly does invalidate the logic. Also don't forget that he is heavily biased as he was paid to and expected to win.

[nige1]

Investigation techniques do seem to have been improved. At Buenos Aires, most of the observers confirmed the R & S code -- but they were told what it was before they watched -- unfortunately, video evidence was unavailable.

We are told that the E & W code was broken in Bali and kept under wraps while preparing for confirmation at the Cavendish -- a considerable achievement. Are the Cavendish videos on-line anywhere?

Was sound/video confirmation from the Cavendish worth the wait? Please would somebody provide a link to the recordings. Are the doctors going to take their case any further?

[MrAce]

Was sound/video confirmation from the Cavendish worth the wait? Please would somebody provide a link to the recordings. Are the doctors going to take their case any further?

 

Who knows, perhaps WBF is keeping them in reserve in order to slap it on their face in case they take their case further. Don't forget they do not need to provide any evidence from another event except than the one they accused them of cheating http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif But that does not mean they can not use it against them when they want to http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

[mgoetze]

Was sound/video confirmation from the Cavendish worth the wait? Please would somebody provide a link to the recordings.

What recordings? A director took notes and testified about them. Do you want to see them in his handwriting or what do you mean by "recordings"?

[1eyedjack]

What recordings? A director took notes and testified about them. Do you want to see them in his handwriting or what do you mean by "recordings"?

 

I suppose that if you have sufficient advance notice of a likely requirement to produce evidence, and an opportunity is squandered to eliminate or reduce the potential for reliance on testimony where direct observation is possible, then that could be regarded as negligent.

[benlessard]

I dont really have the time to read all of the above, im wondering if there is a text of the defense arguments/rebuttal in english ?

[nige1]

What recordings? A director took notes and testified about them. Do you want to see them in his handwriting or what do you mean by "recordings"?

Lessons might have been learnt from the Reese-Shapiro cheating investigation. Among criticisms (made at the time and since) are:

• Observers were told the alleged code before making their observations.
• There were observational discrepancies. For example, Sami Kehela, American team coach, noticed nothing significant, although he was also told the alleged code in advance and observed some of the same boards as other witnesses.

There was ample time to set up video/sound recording for the Cavendish. Such evidence might corroborate the written records of the observer.

[the hog]

I dont really have the time to read all of the above, im wondering if there is a text of the defense arguments/rebuttal in english ?

 

Yes, there is.

[mgoetze]

There was ample time to set up video/sound recording for the Cavendish.

But it wasn't done apparently, so why do you keep demanding nonexistent recordings?

[benlessard]

Yes, there is.

Yes, there is. Do you have a link or its not available ?

[nige1]

But it wasn't done apparently, so why do you keep demanding nonexistent recordings?

How does mgoetze know that there are no relevant Cavendish recordngs? It seems more likely that recordings were made. Were they botched? Do they fail to confirm the allegations, conclusively? Or are they being kept as a Mr_Ace in the hole?

[mycroft]

For example, Sami Kehela, American team coach,...

Eeich. That scrapes like nails on a blackboard every time I hear it.

 

*North American* team coach, please...

[aguahombre]

Does Eric prefer "North American American Team Coach?"

[mycroft]

Well, in this case, it was the North American Team. The fact that, that year, all three pairs were U.S. doesn't change that.

 

Eric would probably also prefer "coach of the <team> team" whatever it is :-)

[BillHiggin]

The German team has been stripped of their title and medals. The Lynch team has been declared the winners!

The 3rd and 4th place teams have also been moved up in the final standings.

I would post a link to the bulletin from Sanya that reports this, but the target PDF file has an error (I read it ok, but many others cannot).

 

(now we can have 3 weeks of meaningless discussions about how one of the other teams might have been the winner if not coughed out earlier by the doctors!)

[MrAce]

(now we can have 3 weeks of meaningless discussions about how one of the other teams might have been the winner if not coughed out earlier by the doctors!)

 

No we won't, because there is no evidence to support the idea that other teams were cheated too. We all can predict that they were, but what we think is irrelevant in the eye of law. US team did better than other teams even if other teams were cheated, by paying more attention than other teams to what was going on at the table. Germans played vs a lot of European opponents in the past, and this was Eddie's first encounter with them and he nailed them in this first encounter. Their effort also helped entire bridge community so that no team in the world will lose their title to this pair in the future. This is how I see it.

[lamford]

No we won't, because there is no evidence to support the idea that other teams were cheated too. We all can predict that they were, but what we think is irrelevant in the eye of law.

I think I agree. However, in athletics, everyone moves up, as happened with Ben Johnson's gold being awarded to Carl Lewis. The German doctors are assumed to be disqualified from the whole event, but I am not aware of whether the rules of the event cover how the various medals are then decided.

[MrAce]

I think I agree. However, in athletics, everyone moves up, as happened with Ben Johnson's gold being awarded to Carl Lewis. The German doctors are assumed to be disqualified from the whole event, but I am not aware of whether the rules of the even cover how the various medals are then decided.

 

In BW someone wrote "Poland moves to second, France to third." but I am having hard time to download the WBF- PDF

Edit: sorry for the bold, copied and pasted from BW.

[BillHiggin]

In BW someone wrote "Poland moves to second, France to third." but I am having hard time to download the WBF- PDF

That is indeed what the bulletin says (not sure why the download worked for me)

[MrAce]

Copy and paste

 

1. Germany results to be disqualified from the2013 d'Orsi Seniors Trophy;

2. Germany is stripped from any placement inthe 2013 d'Orsi Seniors Trophy;

3. The Gold Medals are revoked from Germanyand all the members of the German Seniors Team and have to be returned to the WBF together with the d'Orsi Trophy and its Replicas;

4. The title of World Champion is revoked from Germany and all the members of the German Seniors Team;

5. The WBF Master Points awarded to any member of the German Seniors Team are removed, And by majority of votes (18 in favour, 1 against and 4 abstentions),states

6. The final ranking of the 2013 d'Orsi Seniors Trophy is modified, elevating the teams which finished second (USA), third (Poland) and fourth (France) to respectively first, second and third, awarding them the relevant Medals, Titles, Trophies,

Replicas and WBF Master Points;.