lycier Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=lycier&s=SKQ5HA762DJTCAKQ3&wn=GIB%20W&w=SJ842HQ5D54CJT875&nn=GIB%20N&n=SA76HKT98DK72C962&en=GIB%20E&e=ST93HJ43DAQ9863C4&d=w&v=o&b=8&a=PP2D(Weak%20two%20diamond%20--%201-4%20%21C%3B%201-3%20%21H%3B%201-3%20%21S%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%20twice%20rebiddable%20%21D%3B%209+%20total%20points)D(3-5%20%21C%3B%202-%20%21D%3B%203-4%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2013+%20total)P2N!(Lebensohl%20-%20Forces%203C%20by%20partner%20--%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points)P3D(3-5%20%21C%3B%202-%20%21D%3B%203-4%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2025+%20total)P3H(4+%20%21H%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%203N)P4H(3-5%20%21C%3B%202-%20%21D%3B%203-4%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2025+%20total)P6H(5+%20%21H%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%208-12%20total%20points)PPP&p=DADTD4D2DQDJD5DKSAS3S5S4C2C4CAC5HAH5H8H4H2HQHKH3HTHJH6C8D8H7S2D7CKC7C9D3CQCTC6D9C3CJH9S9S6STSKSJSQS8S7D6]499|350[/hv] Why did GIB bid up to slam voluntarily?If I had mistakes in this sequence,please point out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 It thought 3♦ showed 25+ which is an unreasonable assumption and ought to be fixed; your hand is fairly typical for 3♦. Hover over the bids and you can see the explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 It thought 3♦ showed 25+ which is an unreasonable assumption and ought to be fixed; your hand is fairly typical for 3♦. Hover over the bids and you can see the explanations. GIB plays Lebensohl so 2N requires you to bid 3♣ anything else is GF so maybe not 25 pts but certainly a very strong hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 3D shows up as 25+ TP in the explanation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 3D shows up as 25+ TP in the explanation yes is GF. partner could have 0 so to game force opposite 0 need 25, ♠32 ♥432 ♦32 ♣65432 would be a hideous example of crap partner could have but realistically partner likely to have something so humans do on less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Partner's assumed range for Lebensohl is like 0-bad 8 or so, and he is much more likely to have 7 than zero. So as a practical matter you'll be waiting forever to have a 25 count and will miss way too many games if you wait for 25. After taking a longer 2nd look I'd say this hand with the wasted J of diamonds is a tad too light to cue bid, should just bid 3 clubs, but cue bid should be something around 19+ or 20+ IMO. And not bidding 3♣ doesn't create GF IMO, partner can pass non-cue bid 3M for example if really broke. It just shows very strong, around 19-21 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 yes obviously you have to bid strongly with 20 pts cant wait for 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Can't you just break the transfer with 3♥? I think that shows less than the cue bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Can't you just break the transfer with 3♥? I think that shows less than the cue bid.Not really. Bidding a suit shows a hand too strong to overcall, and would show a 5 cd suit normally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Weird; I was just taught "a hand that refuses to play 3♣" with the example being a strong 4=4=4=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Weird; I was just taught "a hand that refuses to play 3♣" with the example being a strong 4=4=4=1 I think people bid some number of NT rather than doubling with 4=4=4=1.Treating as balanced as 4441 is so rare (and only 1 card off being balanced) and if partner responds in your singleton it's awkward. Not a perfect solution admittedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgi Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Thanks for reporting. It will be addressed for review and improvement of current case where there is Leb2NT and Doubler cuebids opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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