nige1 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 BBO members have revealed futuristic treatments integral to Barry Crane's system (e.g. Light opening bids and Drury in all seats). It's surprising that such innovations didn't cause more of a stir at the time. Were they properly disclosed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Oh, I see that I got it wrong. Druryx4 was once OK and then removed from the general chart. Does anyone know why? Barry knew...That's why he had to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Oh, I see that I got it wrong. Druryx4 was once OK and then removed from the general chart. Does anyone know why?Because allowing in 1st 2nd seat was an invitation to psych with Drury being used as a psychic controller. ACBL doesn't like psychic controller bids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Because allowing in 1st 2nd seat was an invitation to psych with Drury being used as a psychic controller. ACBL doesn't like psychic controller bidsHow is it any more a psych control opposite a first-seat opener than it is opposite a third-seat opener? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Was it a fairly recent change, or does Inquiry play non-GCC events?http://inquiry2over1.blogspot.com/2005/06/1st-and-2nd-seat-reverse-drury.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Because allowing in 1st 2nd seat was an invitation to psych with Drury being used as a psychic controller. This is why it is relatively recently that the EBU permitted Drury. But they didn't restrict which seats you could play it in. It seems on the surface that 3rd and 4th seats would be the worst ones from this perspective. But whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Was it a fairly recent change, or does Inquiry play non-GCC events?http://inquiry2over1.blogspot.com/2005/06/1st-and-2nd-seat-reverse-drury.html Are most events GCC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Yes, most events use the General Convention Chart. Some upper level events use higher level charts, primarily unrestricted level games at NABCs, and a few others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Yes, most events use the General Convention Chart. Some upper level events use higher level charts, primarily unrestricted level games at NABCs, and a few others. Honestly I feel like most events I play in these days are mid-chart. This includes GNT, NAP, bracket one or two KOs, strati-flighted swiss teams, various national pairs and team events, etc. In general if you stick to the highest flight things are mid-chart, although this won't hold for smallish events with a lot of weaker players in the field (i.e. stratified open pairs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted March 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Seems like Drury is useful after all as it can be used for a Controlled Psyche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Honestly I feel like most events I play in these days are mid-chart. This includes GNT, NAP, bracket one or two KOs, strati-flighted swiss teams, various national pairs and team events, etc. In general if you stick to the highest flight things are mid-chart, although this won't hold for smallish events with a lot of weaker players in the field (i.e. stratified open pairs). Except the NABC+ Fast Pairs. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 How is it any more a psych control opposite a first-seat opener than it is opposite a third-seat opener? exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Light openings (within reason) are not psychs. So Drury is not a psychic control. I do understand why some might look at Drury in that manner. But you have to be using a bid intended to deal with a psychic bid for that bid to be a psychic control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Light openings (within reason) are not psychs. So Drury is not a psychic control. I do understand why some might look at Drury in that manner. But you have to be using a bid intended to deal with a psychic bid for that bid to be a psychic control. I do not think that intention has anything to do with it. If it looks like a duck etc. And I do think that a "light" opening such as 1♥ on xxx, x, Qxx, K109xxx is in fact a psych. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 The psychic control thing is not as clear-cut as people make it out to be. I mean, Stayman is a psychic control because of a lot of hands which are worth game or more bid 2♣ over 1NT, giving opener a chance to pass if he psyched the opening? This seems extreme, but it's the same case people make with Drury. To really be a psychic control, it's not enough that partner didn't immediately blast the maximum contract which should make opposite a non-psych. People don't really bid this way any more (if they ever did) and it risks missing a slam in many cases. You need a call that seems illogical opposite what partner supposedly showed (for example letting partner out in a partial when holding an obvious game force). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Opening a strong 2♣ when partner almost always responds 2♦ is one of the safest psyches there is. Can it be considered controlled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I think in ACBL land a 2c psyche is forbotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I think in ACBL land a 2c psyche is forbotten. Perhaps comments could be assumed not to apply in places where a method is illegal. Then people could be saved the trouble of writing irrelevant posts like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 I think in ACBL land a 2c psyche is forbotten.Perhaps comments could be assumed not to apply in places where a method is illegal. Then people could be saved the trouble of writing irrelevant posts like this.Several of us were having a conversation about psyche controls in ABCL and the prohibition against 1st and 2nd seat Drury there. Admittedly somewhat a hijack of the initial post, but this one comment was certainly in line with the side conversation being held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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