precision; matchpoint biding question

[Shugart23]

In matchpoints, bidding goes 1C-1D-3D where opener shows 5+ Diamonds and 22+ HCP, we are wondering about Responder's second bid and methods to exploring finding 4-4 Major fit or 3NT vs ending up in (usually) inferior 5D contract

 

SHould Responder bid a 4 card Major at the three level ? This gives up 3H as a second negative.....

 

Similar question where bidding goes 1C-1D-3C -?

 

Thanks for any suggestions

[helene_t]

3♦ showing 22+ points and 5+ diamonds is not nearly specific enough.

 

You have to let some of those hands go through the Kokish relay. For example you could play that

1♣-1♦

1♥-1♠

3m

shows a 4-card major in addition to the long minor, while the direct 3m bid denies a 4-card major.

[Shugart23]

3♦ showing 22+ points and 5+ diamonds is not nearly specific enough.

 

You have to let some of those hands go through the Kokish relay. For example you could play that

1♣-1♦

1♥-1♠

3m

shows a 4-card major in addition to the long minor, while the direct 3m bid denies a 4-card major.

 

 

Perfect ! we use 1C-1D-1H (relay to Spades) -1S - ? to show a variety of NT point stregnths or real Heart suit...What you have described is an idle bid for us, and might be just the ticket.....I will ponder

[PrecisionL]

♠

3♦ showing 22+ points and 5+ diamonds is not nearly specific enough.

 

You have to let some of those hands go through the Kokish relay. For example you could play that

1♣-1♦

1♥-1♠

3m

shows a 4-card major in addition to the long minor, while the direct 3m bid denies a 4-card major.

This is the method of many seasoned Precision players.

 

1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ = One Round Force:

(a) 2+

♥

and balanced 20+ hcp,

OR

(b) 4+

♥

(maybe a longer minor)

 

Responder can now raise

♥

s with 4, bid 1

♠

with 4+

♠

, bid 1NT as a dbl negative (0-4 no Ace), or bid 2

♣

with 5-7 and 0-2

♥

s, 2

♦

= 5-7 and exactly 3

♥

s. Details in One Club Complete by Kathy Wei and Judy Radin. Also see Precision Today. Berkowitz and Cohen also used this scheme.

[straube]

I wouldn't use an 1H rebid as Kokish. It puts too much pressure on responder to rebid 1S to find out which hand type opener has; it would be preferable if instead responder was free to use other bids (branch out).

 

Your 1C-1D, 3D (if forcing and natural) should deny a 4-cd major. I'd recommend that after

1C-1D your 1M rebids be natural and forcing. Here's a scheme that is based on Meckwell or Meckwell Lite...

 

 

1H-hearts

.....1S-spades, denies 3 hearts unless 0-4

..........1N-balanced or 1444

..........2m-5/4+ either way

...............2H-weak 3 hearts

...............2S-weak, 6

...............2N-invitational, 4 or 5 spades

..........2H-6H

..........2S-4S

..........2N-inv

.....1N-0-4, denies 4M

..........2S-reverse, F1

..........2N-inv

..........3m-5+m, GF

..........3H-inv

.....2C-6-7, no fit

..........2D-artificial, weak

...............2H-2-fit

...............2S-6 spades

...............2N-short hearts, 5/4+ minors

...............3m-6m, poor suit

...............3S-6 spades, highly invitational

..........2H-6H min

..........2S-4S, GF

..........2N-GF

..........3m-4H/6m, GF

..........3H-GF

.....2D-5-7, 3-fit

..........2H-minimum, could have only 4 hearts

...............2S-4S, nf

..........2S-GF, 4S

..........2N-GF

..........3m-GF, 5m

..........3H-GI

.....2H-0-4, 4-fit

.....2S-5-7, 5S/3H

.....2N-5-7, 4-fit, shortness

..........3C-asks shortness

.....3m-6-7, natural, good suit

.....3H-6-7, no shortness

 

1S-spades

.....1N-0-4, not 4 spades, nf

..........2m-5/4+ either way

..........2H-5S/4H

..........2S-6S

..........2N-inv

..........3m-GF, 5m

.....2C-6-7, no fit

..........2D-weak relay

...............2H-5H, may have 2 spades

...............2S-2-fit

...............2N-short spade

...............3m-6m, poor suit

...............3H-6H, better than 1S-2H

.....2D-5-7, 3-fit

..........2H-5S/4H, nf

..........2S-minimum, could have only 4S

...............3m-6m

...............3H-6H

..........2N-GF

..........3m-GF, 4S/5m

..........3H-GF

..........3S-GI

.....2H-6-7, 6 hearts

.....2S-0-4, 4 spades

.....2N-5-7, 4-fit, shortness

.....3m-6-7, natural, good suit

.....3H-5-7, 3S/6H

.....3S-5-7, 4-fit, bal

 

1N-17-18

 

2C-natural, no major, nf

 

2D-natural, no major, nf, could be 5D/5C

 

2H-Kokish

.....2S-almost forced

..........2N-24+

..........3C-H

..........3D-H equal or longer

..........3H-H equal or longer to clubs

..........3S-H equal or longer

 

2S-GF 5+ spades

.....2N-asking

..........3C-S

..........3D-S equal or longer

..........3H-S equal or longer

..........3S-S equal or longer to clubs

.....3C-second negative

 

2N-22-23

 

3C-GF clubs, no major

 

3D-GF diamonds, no major

 

3H-GF, minors, shortness

 

3S-GF, minors, shortness

 

3N-to play, usually running minor and stops