agonm Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 [hv=pc=n&n=st984ha7dacakqjt9&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1s4h]133|200[/hv] system = 4 card majors, weak NT what's the bid :) I blasted 6S which worked out ok but surely a better way to bid the hand exists :) will post full hand later Thanks, Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agonm Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 maybe too simple :( but my bid wld be 5!h telling P I'd be happy to play 5!s but dont have the hand where RKC wld work. Hope P will conclude it depends on !s values and bid accordonly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agonm Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 5 heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agonm Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 mb too easy but think this wld show P i have a hand willing to play 5 spades and dont have a hand where RKC wld work Hope P finds out it depends on Spades holding and bid accordonly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 mb too easy but think this wld show P i have a hand willing to play 5 spades and dont have a hand where RKC wld work Hope P finds out it depends on Spades holding and bid accordonly From your response i am confused what you meant by RKC. Did you mean RKCB ? If you did why do you think it would not work ? Why do you want your pd to find out your problem is about spade holdings when RKCB is almost perfectly designed for that ? Everyone in this forum would use RKCB if they believed that is what 4 NT would be. Some people are using a bid other than 4 NT because they believe or prefer to play 4 NT for other purposes. Not because they believe rkcb will not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SelfGovern Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I thought this thread was going to be about some new techniques in preemptive bidding. A title of "Go Away, Pre-Empts" would have clued me in to the realcontent! Grand Slam Force is perfect... except that it traditionally asks partner to bid seven with two of the top three trump honors. Nothing like being in 7S missing the ace. Perhaps you're in a partnership that has ways to differentiate between 2/3 and 3/3 -- if so, you may be golden (until opp gets wind and bid 6H over 5NT...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I thought this thread was going to be about some new techniques in preemptive bidding. A title of "Go Away, Pre-Empts" would have clued me in to the realcontent! Grand Slam Force is perfect... except that it traditionally asks partner to bid seven with two of the top three trump honors. Nothing like being in 7S missing the ace. Perhaps you're in a partnership that has ways to differentiate between 2/3 and 3/3 -- if so, you may be golden (until opp gets wind and bid 6H over 5NT...). Doesn't 5♠ show a hand that is trump deficient for GSF, typically Jxxx ish in this type of auction plus the nuts outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Doesn't 5♠ show a hand that is trump deficient for GSF, typically Jxxx ish in this type of auction plus the nuts outside.It does, if two people think it does and they are playing together. Maybe someone thinks It just shows two heart losers and the nuts outside. Anyway, I will worry about it when 4NT isn't RKC any more, and I have to show something rather than ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 It does, if two people think it does and they are playing together. Maybe someone thinks It just shows two heart losers and the nuts outside. Anyway, I will worry about it when 4NT isn't RKC any more, and I have to show something rather than ask. Yeah, agreed, what 4N/5♥/5♠ mean is very much a matter for partnership agreement (and whether 5m is a cue or a suit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Doesn't 5♠ show a hand that is trump deficient for GSF, typically Jxxx ish in this type of auction plus the nuts outside. think 5♠ for us would be asking p to bid slam with something in Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 4nt is RKC for me but if it wasn't I would bid 6♥. I'll bluff the post mortem by recalling this exact auction in Culbertson vs Lenz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 That's very pessimistic, he opened and they bid 4H, they probably have some heart valueshave you seen the state of current prempts 8 cards to the ten possible lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 With distributions round the table like this I am happy to act on the assumption that opener has more than 4 spades. If 4NT has not been agreed as something else, then I would think it would be ace asking. Our agreements are clear - it is ace asking. X is penalty, and we have no 2-suited takeout for the 5 level (not that this hand wants one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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