Progressive Bidding Poll

[awm]

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IMP Teams, board one of a 64-board match. Strong teammates and opponents.

[Jinksy]

3N makes me woozy, but I can't see a better call. After the first three bids, it seems like you've more or less described your hand, modulo the C intermediates? I'm not sure if 5N is spurning your suggestion, in which case I'd probably have passed it, or some kind of forcing enquiry, in which case I'd prob bid 6C.

 

We seem to have the trump suit sewn up opposite as much as a stiff, and surely have better communications in a club slam. Meanwhile, P could be missing the AQ of Ss or have something like stiff QH, giving 6C play when 6N (and maybe 5N?) is straight off.

[mike777]

agree with 3c

 

Prefer 4c rather than 3nt.

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given we are now at 5nt then now

 

prefer 6c after 5nt.

[MrAce]

Where is my "disagree with all bids" option ? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

 

-I disagree with 3♣ because i would like to be in game vs pd's 12-13 hcp and very likely short hearts, even vs a worthless doubleton, at teams scoring. We can bid 3♣ with 8-11 and 4+ clubs but this hand worth much more than the definition of 3♣ range in the bidding box imo. I would go with 4♣ and if this is NF too then i would bid 5♣

 

-I disagree with 3 NT, not because i am afraid to go down in 3 NT but i am misrepresenting my hand and giving wrong msg to pd, who will devalue his shortness in hearts. I would bid 5♣ now

 

-I do not think 5♣ offers slam but in the auction which has gone out of my control in previous rounds maybe it does offer, idk.

 

-Why on earth would i want to be in NT slam, when it does not even right side the slam if we are supposed to protect diamonds. Are we protecting us from ♥ ruff ? If pd holds Kx, do you think LHO will always lead ♥ from AQJxxx when S bid NT ?

[whereagles]

3C is fine

3NT is dodgy

5C is so-so (6C seems more appropriate)

6NT is a death wish (missed last chance to bid 6C)

[Fluffy]

3♣ is fine.

 

4♥ over 3♥ our hand is huge and limited.

 

After 4NT I'd try to play 6♣ but obviously that would be bad if partner has ♥Kx, but it is very hard to know what partner has in hearts after 3NT

[MrAce]

 

 

After 4NT I'd try to play 6♣ but obviously that would be bad if partner has ♥Kx, but it is very hard to know what partner has in hearts after 3NT

 

If pd has Kx, LHO will probably not lead it, when you are the one who bid 3 NT (not pd)

[wank]

i agree with 3nt. 3c i don't have a problem with, though i would probably bid 3nt instead of inviting.

 

over 3h, 3nt is by far the most likely game and if you don't bid it, one way or the other, it's unlikely p will.

 

once p moves though, you've perverted the auction too much already to carry on past 4nt and hope to recover.

[Finch]

I don't agree with any of the bids either.

 

The bid I disagree most with is 5C, because there is the obvious alternative of 6C. 5C might 'offer' a club slam, but I can't see why it should be forcing, and having bid only 3C earlier we are huge. The bid I disagree second most with is 6NT, because there's no certainty with have a heart stop and I can't see why it could ever be better than 6C. Actually, on reflection, 6NT was worse than 5C.

 

I don't like 3C but I can sort of live with it. Same with 3NT, because partner is pretty much marked with a heart honour..

[awm]

Interesting. Most people disagree with one or more bids, but usually in a way that will put the partnership in 6♣. Both hands:

 

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Six clubs of course has no play on the ace of hearts lead. Even if this lead is not found, you are far from cold and will not make on the actual layout (clubs 1-3, diamond queen off). 6NT also does not make. The other table played all of 3NT.

[akhare]

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IMP Teams, board one of a 64-board match. Strong teammates and opponents.

I would bid 4♣ over the X, but can live with 3♣. Having bid 3♣ initially, my choice would be 4♣ (or 5♣ if that isn't forcing), but 3N could be right.

[cherdano]

Interesting. Most people disagree with one or more bids, but usually in a way that will put the partnership in 6♣.

I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. E.g. if you jump to 6♣ after having bid 3NT, certainly partner is allowed to look at his hand?

 

Arend

[awm]

I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. E.g. if you jump to 6♣ after having bid 3NT, certainly partner is allowed to look at his hand?

 

Arend

 

Certainly it's possible that you can jump to 6♣ and partner can bid 6NT... but I wouldn't bet on it. It's easy to construct hands where the club slam is much superior (extra chances by ruffing out a pointed suit; or singleton spade and non-solid clubs plus the heart ace and diamond queen; basically it's only hands where the "heart stopper" is a four-card holding lacking the ace where 6nt is really likely to be better).

 

Of course it's possible from the poll that most people disagreeing with 5♣ are passing 4nt, but that's not the feeling I get from the responses in the thread.

[whereagles]

Six clubs of course has no play on the ace of hearts lead. Even if this lead is not found, you are far from cold and will not make on the actual layout (...)

 

It is not a given that that LHO will lead out ace of hearts, heart ruff. Besides, the auction hints at heart shortage across, making 6♣ a favorite in theory (all HCP likely to be working).

 

Looking at N/S hands, slam is actually pretty decent. I would say it's just bad luck it goes down.

[MrAce]

It is not a given that that LHO will lead out ace of hearts, heart ruff. Besides, the auction hints at heart shortage across, making 6♣ a favorite in theory (all HCP likely to be working).

 

Looking at N/S hands, slam is actually pretty decent. I would say it's just bad luck it goes down.

 

I would bid 4-5 ♣ over the double and end up in 6♣

 

But seeing NS hands and saying it is a decent slam escapes me.

[cherdano]

Certainly it's possible that you can jump to 6♣ and partner can bid 6NT... but I wouldn't bet on it. It's easy to construct hands where the club slam is much superior (extra chances by ruffing out a pointed suit; or singleton spade and non-solid clubs plus the heart ace and diamond queen; basically it's only hands where the "heart stopper" is a four-card holding lacking the ace where 6nt is really likely to be better).

 

Of course it's possible from the poll that most people disagreeing with 5♣ are passing 4nt, but that's not the feeling I get from the responses in the thread.

Part of my point is that you have to show clubs this good by jumping to 6♣ over 4NT - and that this may often make it easier for partner to convert to 6N (compared to bidding 5♣).

[whereagles]

But seeing NS hands and saying it is a decent slam escapes me.

 

Huh? If clubs break, it's an easy make. If not, maybe you can ruff out the diamond queen or finesse it.

[johnu]

Huh? If clubs break, it's an easy make. If not, maybe you can ruff out the diamond queen or finesse it.

 

You have to be better than world class to make 12 tricks after you've lost the first 2 tricks if opener has the expected 6 (or 7) hearts to the ace.

[whereagles]

Oh rest assured I'm better than that. I use black magic to shuffle E/W cards prior to the opening lead.

[mycroft]

I think that after I make it clear that a club slam is a really good idea (6♣ over 5NT if you're forcing me to slam anyway - is that what 5NT says?) partner, who has heard me show a sort of heart stopper and is looking at ♥KQ can guess what I have - it ain't Axx, or any xxx for that matter. So I'm going to tell him "you really don't want to play slam in NT" and partner is going to say "yes, I do, even more so now."